Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of schools in Northland, New Zealand


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 04:46, 12 June 2008.

List of schools in Northland, New Zealand
I've listed this article as a featured list candidate because it is a comprehensive list of all current primary, intermediate and secondary schools recognised by the New Zealand Ministry of Education in the Northland Region of New Zealand. The rolls and decile ratings change each year. I last updated them in January and intend to update them once a year. For each school, the information in the table can be verified using the MOE link, and very occasionally if the MOE website is not up to date, using the link to decile updates in the references section. Very few of the schools on the list have their own article; the links are redirects to the local town, suburb or community, which includes a paragraph on the school. I created 72 articles on such communities, some of them stubs, most start-class, and a few B-class.

It is not practical to add a photo of every school, and attempting to do so would greatly increase the size of the article while adding little value. I believe the map of secondary education locations is sufficient to illustrate the article.

I'm not sure whether the incomplete lists of closed schools should remain in this article or be split off. I am not aware of any comprehensive and reliable source which lists closed schools for before 1999, so I have pieced these lists together from the lists that are comprehensive for schools closed since 1999, and the material in several books written on local history of the communities.

There is a recent peer review for the list.- gadfium 22:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - I believe it meets the criteria. - Shudde   talk  02:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The gender column is fairly unnecessary as all but two are coed, and those two are explicitly mentioned in the lead section
 * Gender criteria is one of the defining aspects of a school. For Northland, it isn't terribly important because only two schools are single-sex, and as you say this is mentioned in the lead. However, I think the tables should have the same layout as those for other regions of New Zealand, and elsewhere there are greater proportions of single-sex schools, including some with names which don't indicate gender, e.g. Auckland Grammar School.- gadfium 05:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * But we're not reviewing other pages. On this one it's not really needed. If more NZ school lists are brought to FLC, I don't think they'll be opposed because they do have a gender column when this one doesn't. Anyway, it's still early on in the process so let's just wait and see what other reviewers think. In the meantime, you've satisfied all my other points so I've hidden those and I've left this one comment open so other reviewers can see it. Otherwise, a great list, well done. Matthewedwards (talk· contribs· count· email) 00:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I wrote a little python script to reorder columns in the tables to move the website and MOE columns to the end. I can very easily modify it to remove the gender column if necessary. I'll wait for more feedback first.- gadfium 02:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds extremely handy. Can you respond on my talk page about how that works? Would you be prepared to share it? :) Matthewedwards (talk· contribs· count· email) 02:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose, not enough in-line citations for the list itself. GreenJoe 23:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's very vague. You may want to be more specific, or your oppose could be disregarded. - Shudde   talk  01:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How many in-line citations do you believe are necessary, per school? At present, apart from any school website, which is a primary source, there's one - the MOE link. I could add a link to the latest Education Review Office report if necessary, but the MOE link verifies the basic information in the table, and the MOE listing links to ERO reports. Sometimes MOE carries an old school website or misses a new one, but in this case the accuracy of the list is pretty obvious. The decile ratings for schools are updated about October each year, but MOE updates its figures about February. That's why we have a separate reference for deciles. At this time of year, it isn't an issue as MOE is up to date. ERO information would be significantly less up to date than MOE, on average, since ERO reports are only held every few years.- gadfium 06:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * TBH, I would be inclined to say that this editor's oppose will probably not be counted, considering he has popped up out of nowhere today and opposed every single FLC and supported the removal of every single FLRC. As you said, the school websites are all primary sources, and as WP:PSTS says, an article shouldn't rely on those. The inclusion of the MOE links for me satisfies secondary sources. Matthewedwards (talk· contribs· count· email) 07:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Support I really like this. I can relate to the subject, it is interesting, well written and presented, and it's about something in the Southern hemisphere, something which Wikipedia lacks too much of, IMO. Matthewedwards (talk· contribs· count· email) 01:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments I am with Matthew here regarding the "gender" column. It's kinda...weird to see "coed" in every row. Also, what do the numbers mean in the last column? I couldn't find an explanation.-- Crzycheetah 07:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The number in the last column is the New Zealand Ministry of Education Institution Number. It links to the appropriate record in the Ministry of Education database, which verifies the information in the table row.


 * I'll remove the gender column if consensus is for the removal.- gadfium 09:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see a note in this page that explains what those numbers mean.-- Crzycheetah 09:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added a note, at the end of the lede.- gadfium 20:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Remove total "coed" column and say so in one statement elsewhere with the single exception.
 * "state integrated" lower case in lead, but I in table? Why is it explained twice in the lead?
 * "these are schools formed by a religious body but have subsequently become a part of the state system"—ungrammatical.
 * "at 5 years old"—at the age of five.
 * g for Government, normally.
 * Rolls provided "each year"? Safer to give the actual year, to be updated when the info is updated. TONY   (talk)  08:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll work on these in the morning.- gadfium 09:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have made the changes you suggest. Since you were the third person to suggest that the gender column be dropped, I have removed it.- gadfium 23:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments


 * Are the links in References actually used as general references? If so, then have a section called References, and then have "General" and general references under that, and "Specific" and specific references under that.
 * The web references are missing access dates, which are required per WP:CITE/ES

Gary King ( talk ) 21:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've reorganised the references as you suggest, and added access dates.- gadfium 23:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Support: I like the way you explained all of the various terms on your table. I suggest, however, that you link "Ministry of Education" to Ministry of Education (New Zealand).--Dem393 (talk) 19:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've linked the first occurrence, in the fourth paragraph.- gadfium 21:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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