Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of secondary school sports team names and mascots derived from the indigenous peoples of North America/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was withdrawn by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 27 April 2017 (UTC).

List of secondary school sports team names and mascots derived from the indigenous peoples of North America

 * Nominator(s): WriterArtistDC (talk) 23:22, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it meets the criteria, documents a category relevant to other articles, but could use the attention of other editors. WriterArtistDC (talk) 23:22, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Comment this could have the longest title of any FLC ever. I'll review shortly. The Rambling Man (talk) 01:56, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Oppose I know we don't need to cite that the sky is blue, but each of these claims needs a reference. Also, a lot of non-free images used illegally here. The Rambling Man (talk) 01:57, 15 April 2017 (UTC) --WriterArtistDC (talk) 15:52, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) There is a ref for almost every sentence in the opening section, so I need to know what is missing to fix it.
 * 2) Some images are needed to illustrate meaning that is poorly conveyed by verbal descriptions. I think this is a valid fair-use argument since the images are already in use on WP to illustrate the articles on the schools.


 * Removed two non-free images, will write fair use rationale for two others.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 16:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not the lead that needs referencing, it's all the rest of the list. Also I noticed some external links within the main body of the list as well, those need to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:39, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I will look for the external links and convert them to refs. There are refs when available for questionable items, but I do not understand any need for the vast majority; this would indeed be citing that the sky is blue.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 15:33, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't follow. How do I know that Chieftains play for "Nashoba Regional High School, Bolton, Massachusetts"?  The school is not even notable enough for its own article?  That's hardly blue sky citing.  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * A search for Chieftains in the database MascotDB.com lists Nashoba Regional High School. This source needs to be an inline cite for each school?--WriterArtistDC (talk) 01:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * For sure, as I said, this is definitely not a case of citing that the sky is blue. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:32, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to include publishers (or works) in the references you add. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:58, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I have never seen a web cite that included a work/publisher, only title, url, and accessdate. (This is a moot point, See below.)--WriterArtistDC (talk) 15:25, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * What, like cite web? If you want an example of a list using cite web with works and publishers were available, see something like Ipswich Town F.C. Hall of Fame. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Question The scope of this page seems a bit vague. Is it just schools in the United States and Canada? What reference is used to show completeness? By the way, very interesting topic. I just did a quick google search and found high schools in Ontario with the name Eskimos, Braves, etc not included here. Mattximus (talk) 18:32, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Opening sentence "Among the categories of names for sports teams in North America, those referring to Indigenous peoples are second in popularity only to the names various animals" defines both scope and importance. The completeness for Canada may be lacking, since the sources listed in External links are for the US.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 15:52, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification, then I must oppose based on grounds of incompleteness with respect to the scope. Mattximus (talk) 23:03, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I think the list is complete and stable for the US, but narrowing the scope would increase the already lengthy title.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 15:33, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * North America and the United States are almost the same number of characters. Mattximus (talk) 01:34, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It would have to be "List of United States secondary school sports team names and mascots derived from the indigenous peoples of North America" in order to include teams in the US called Eskimos and Aztecs.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 01:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Withdrawn for now, given the time needed to work through this long list making suggested changes. I appreciate the input. --WriterArtistDC (talk) 15:25, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * PS. Any suggestions for shortening the title? Does it need to fully define the scope? Perhaps "List of secondary school team names referring to Native Americans/First Nations", moving the additional criteria to the lead?
 * Unfortunately, the title should define the scope. Someone reading this title might think that it includes Canada and Mexico, but only includes the United States. I think the current title is still better than the change you propose, it just doesn't list what it says it lists. I'm afraid you'll have to include "United States" somewhere in the title if you stick to just USA as your scope. Mattximus (talk) 21:52, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

The Rambling Man (talk) 11:12, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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