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List of songs recorded by Ben&Ben

 * Nominator(s): Pseud 14 (talk) 00:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

After a short break from working on list articles, and previously working on Filipino solo music artists, I decided that taking on a band would be a nice change. It started with expanding their main article, until I've finally gotten to their list of songs. Filipino indie folk band Ben&Ben is a nine-member ensemble whose music is known for its anthemic quality and emotional engagement that appeals to a wide range of audiences. Their songs have been featured in films, television shows, and soon on stage (Philippine theater!) Regarded as prolific songwriters, the band is also the most-streamed Filipino artist of all time. The band's discography was brought to FL status by GWL a while back, so I thought I'd work on the their song list this time. Happy to address your comments and thanks to all who take the time to review the list. Pseud 14 (talk) 00:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * "They then renamed and released their self-titled EP" - as written this indicates that they renamed their EP, which I don't believe is what you mean. I would change it to "They then changed their name and released their self-titled EP"
 * Back for a full review later -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:29, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the initial review. Made the change as suggested. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:17, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

More comments

 * "Filipino indie folk band Ben&Ben has recorded.....They have collaborated with" - is the band singular or plural?
 * My bad. Should be plural, I've made the changes, and parts of the lead as needed to be consistent.


 * "By 2018, two singles from the EP were featured" - both films seem to have come out in 2018, so change to "In 2018, two singles from the EP were featured"
 * Done


 * "and the brothers' assistance on writing" - this reads a bit strangely. Did they help someone else (Verona?) write the songs?  The articles on the songs suggest they just wrote them by themselves......
 * I've removed the phrase so it's not ambiguous. Hopefully that reads better.


 * "lyrics that delve on" - you can't "delve on" something in English. I would suggest "lyrics that deal with"
 * Done


 * "The band members have co-written some of their songs" - on this album specifically or generally?
 * Just for the second album, tweaked so it specifies that.


 * That's what I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:16, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the additional comments ChrisTheDude. All actioned. Let me know if I may have missed anything. Pseud 14 (talk) 18:35, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:38, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your support and edits. Appreciate your time in reviewing as always. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Image review

 * Images are all CC or PD. Positioning is fine on both my desktop and mobile views.
 * Infobox image is not ideal as it appears on the page, but seems to be the best of a limited selection of free-to-use images available. I wonder if it's worth making a cropped version to make the band members a little clearer?
 * Thanks for doing the image review. I thought about cropping it initially, but found the cropped version to be much lower quality, since this is a screen capture from a free-to-use video upload. The better quality, seems to be making use of the wide-angle shot. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Images and their captions are relevant and I didn't see any MOS issues.
 * Alt text is included.


 * Pass for image review. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:48, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Source review

 * There are many uses of Spotify for factual and, I would assume, uncontroversial information. It looks from discussion at Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_376 and elsewhere at RSN that editors are mostly happy with Spotify as a source for uncontroversial information. (Co-ords, please correct me if necessary)
 * There have been a few discussions about BandCamp at RSN. Like for Spotify, my reading is that this source is fine if used for uncontroversial content, as it is here.
 * The YouTube source used is the official channel for Studio Three Sixty so seems fine here.
 * Spot check on "embraced themes of romance and positivity" - no issues.
 * Spot check on "move towards sociopolitical themes reflected in lyrics that deal with social justice, mental health, and individualism" - no issues.
 * I think "sparse instrumentation, harmony, and handclaps" should either be attributed as a direct quote, or rephrased.
 * Thanks for doing a review of sourcing as well BennyOnTheLoose. I have rephrased the quotation instead. Let me know if that works. Look forward to the rest of your comments. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * No copyvio or close paraphrasing issues found using Earwig's Copyvio Detector or in a couple of spot checks.
 * Pass for source review as it looks fine to me now. Regards, 22:23, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I've wanted to review this list, but I've been hesitant because the citation highlighters I use are showing a whole lot of red in the reference section (Spotify and YouTube).
 * Hey man im josh
 * I believe that's been covered per Benny's source review above, where there was a discussion linked that Spotify is acceptable for informational and non-controversial use, i.e. song credits, date/year of release, etc. The same goes with YouTube where official accounts are used (i.e. for trailers, music videos, lyric videos identifying musicians and songwriters). Per WP:RSPYT: Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability. I think this verified content also applies to official uploads from film studios, production companies or television networks. In my experience, I believe, these sources have been considered acceptable within the FL spaces with regard to its use in FLs for List of Songs, Discography, etc.


 * Has there been past consensus that Spotify is an acceptable source for lists such as these?
 * Answered above.


 * "Autumn" is not sorting properly, it's being sorted as "Could autumn" for some reason.
 * Thanks for catching, should be fixed now.


 * "The Ones We Once Loved" is sorted as "Ones We Once Loved" but "The Way You Look At Me" is sorting as "The Way You Look At Me". These should be consistent, in that, they either both use "The" as part of the sort name or neither does.
 * Also fixed.


 * Needs to be more consistent with linking in the notes. Note U and AC for example link to the song whereas notes F, N, and R do not.
 * For note F, I believe the song article on wiki is a different one, For note N there isn't a article to link from what I've checked, and note R has been linked.


 * Ref 2 – add a publish date
 * added


 * Ref 9 – Wikilink SPOT.ph
 * linked

That's what I've got for now. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:30, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your review Hey man im josh, I've addressed all comments. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:25, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support – Sorry for the delay in supporting since your last response @Pseud 14. I missed this in a flurry of notifications. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:23, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries at all Hey man im josh. Thanks for your support and patience in reviewing. Pseud 14 (talk) 18:29, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

I tried to find other issues, but I think everything has mostly been covered already. So in the end, I ended up with this one measly thing. Great job with this article. I think I've only briefly heard of Ben&Ben, so it was fun to actually learn a bit about them. -- Zoo  Blazer   18:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comments from ZooBlazer
 * as well as rock opera-inspired music.[13][12] - Flip the ref order
 * that was exceptionally fast :) And thanks for the review and kind words. I've made the change per your comments. Pseud 14 (talk) 18:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I had already started looking at it when i saw you mentioned it in my FLC. Happy to support. --  Zoo  Blazer   19:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your support. Look forward to reading more of your work. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Salute to you for how fast you can work with multiple articles in just a short time! I am happy to review.
 * Comments from Relayed


 * Lead: The band formed in 2016 as The Benjamins composed of Paolo and Miguel Benjamin Guico. → The band formed in 2016 as The Benjamins, composed of Paolo and Miguel Benjamin Guico. – add comma
 * Lead: "The Way You Look At Me" by Christian Bautista, → "The Way You Look at Me" by Christian Bautista, – capitalization of title of works
 * Lead: "Tuloy Na Tuloy Pa Rin Ang Pasko" by the APO Hiking Society, → "Tuloy Na Tuloy Pa Rin ang Pasko" by the APO Hiking Society, – capitalization of title of works
 * Lead: 2007 drama One More Chance will feature Ben&Ben's discography, and is scheduled → 2007 drama One More Chance will feature Ben&Ben's discography and is scheduled – remove comma
 * Table:   templates are not placed properly in the table, particularly for entries that start with letters B, D, and T.  was placed next to Ebe Dancel instead of the song title,  was placed next to the title of the second "D" song entry, and  was placed next to the title of the second "T" song entry.
 * Table: Ben&Ben (with Clara Benin and Bea Lorenzo) – It appears that "Di Na Muli" is a Clara Benin and Bea Lorenzo song that features Ben&Ben, so perhaps it should be written as Clara Benin and Bea Lorenzo (featuring Ben&Ben)?
 * Table: "Nakikinig Ka Ba Sa Akin" → "Nakikinig Ka Ba sa Akin" – capitalization of title of works
 * Table: "SUNRISE" → "Sunrise" – MOS:ALLCAPS
 * Table: "Tuloy Na Tuloy Pa Rin Ang Pasko" and "The Way You Look At Me" − ditto (Don't forget the notes and references too)
 * Table: Two songs in the table are not sorted properly by title:
 * "Di Na Muli" → "Doors" → "Di Ka Sayang" should be "Di Ka Sayang" → "Di Na Muli" → "Doors"
 * "Upuan" → "The Way You Look At Me" → "War" should be "Upuan" → "War" → "The Way You Look At Me"


 * Ref 18: "Ben&Ben, Belle Mariano collaborate for "Autumn's" duet version". ABS-CBNnews.com. → "Ben&Ben, Belle Mariano collaborate for "Autumn's" duet version". ABS-CBN. — The source appears to be from the corporate website of ABS-CBN, not ABS-CBN News.
 * This came up in a previous source review, and as a matter of consistency all news originating from ABS-CBN I have cited to appears as ABS-CBNnews.com (whether Entertainment, Corporate, News, etc). Pseud 14 (talk) 14:58, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I see; crossed out


 * Ref 31: Ben&Ben. "Di Na Muli (feat. Ben&Ben)". → Lorenzo, Bea; Benin, Clara. "Di Na Muli (feat. Ben&Ben).
 * Ref 33: Ben&Ben. "Di Ka Sayang]". → Ben&Ben. "Di Ka Sayang". − unwanted bracket
 * Ref 37: Arias, Jacqueline (May 28, 2021). "Hear Ben&Ben and DAY6 member → Arias, Jacqueline (May 28, 2021). "Hear Ben&Ben and Day6 member – MOS:ALLCAPS
 * Ref 41: SB. "Mapa (Band Version)". → SB19; Ben&Ben. "Mapa (Band Version)". − incomplete author name, probably it is worth adding Ben&Ben too
 * Added Ben&Ben; note that writing SB19 in full yields a cite error, so it is listed as just SB. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:58, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I assume you are referring to the maintenance error on numeric names. However, you can bypass the error if "SB19" is surrounded by double parenthesis as ((SB19)) and would render it as "SB19" without yielding an error. Consider doing that. – Relayed  (né Abacusada) (t • c) 15:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Ref 50: Ben&Ben. "SUNRISE". → Ben&Ben. "Sunrise". − ditto (MOS:ALLCAPS)

I think that is all I got for now. Good luck! – Relayed  (né Abacusada) (t • c) 07:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing Relayed. All done, unless otherwise stated. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:58, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. Only left would be my suggestion above, and once that is sorted out, I will be happy to support.
 * done. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:10, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support – Good work! Good luck for the rest of your nomination. – Relayed  (né Abacusada) (t • c) 22:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  20:39, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


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