Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of songs written by Alicia Keys/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 10:01, 5 August 2013 (UTC).

List of songs written by Alicia Keys

 * Nominator(s): —  AARON  &bull; TALK   18:59, 26 June 2013 (UTC) and and  — Noboyo (Noboyo)

I am nominating this for featured list because... the dispute over the title of the name of the article has been resolved. This is a list of songs written by Keys, so every song that can be reliably sourced that is written or co-written by her is listed here. A separate list, List of songs recorded by Alicia Keys, has also been created for every song that can be reliably sourced that she has recorded, regardless of whether she has written it or not. This was done because the old title, List of songs written and recorded by Alicia Keys, the name the first FLC was submitted under (and withdrawn at my request while it was resolved), was deemed to be misleading. Both lists are very different. Myself and and — Noboyo have worked on hard on this list and I have applied my experience with previous FLCs to the article. We believe it meets the FLC criteria, and we are open to suggestions for improvements from editors of all topics. — AARON  &bull; TALK   18:59, 26 June 2013 (UTC) and  — Noboyo (Noboyo)


 * Note - I will be on holiday from 1 July to 8 July, 2013, and I will not be on Wikipedia to respond to comments in this nomination. —  AARON  &bull; TALK   10:38, 27 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment by User:ColonelHenry -- I find the existence of the two lists is troubling because it seems to pose a WP:CONTENTFORK issue, and the two lists could easily be merged without the redundancy into a two-section article under something titled like List of Alicia Keys songs. The two sections would be (1) songs AK wrote, (2) songs AK recorded and offers some form of notation to indicate those songs both written and recorded by AK.  Compare this to an article listing people associated with a certain university that are either faculty, alumni, or both alumni and faculty (usually marked by bold text). I don't see the two lists as being inherently different in its core purpose, and I think the rationale vis-à-vis the policies/guidelines of content forking vs. splitting needs to be explained and resolved before proceeding. The previous issue (with "written and recorded by") seemed to be one focused on the apposite precision of the article's name, not a content issue. All the best, --ColonelHenry (talk) 14:29, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No list follows the "List of songs by X" anymore, they were all moved to "List songs recorded by X". There have been multiple discussions about it, and this is the consensus for Keys' lists I'm afraid. I did propose the two section list, but it was not favoured. Having two separate articles was favoured in the majority. The other one isn't finished yet, but it is different. —  AARON  &bull; TALK   16:27, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It comes back to whether we obey policies and guidelines vs. consensus that flouts the policies and guidelines (damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!), and I'd err on policy. Just because a consensus wishes to insist upon creating a WP:CONTENTFORK problem, it doesn't make it right. Reminds me of the childhood excuse "but mom, everyone's doing it! please!?!?!?" as if just the mere presence of several people in agreement over executing a bad decision automatically makes it a good one. I cannot justify endorsing the article (despite it's other positive attributes) until the WP:CONTENTFORK issue is resolved with deference to policies and guidelines. I do not see the two lists as being significantly different enough to warrant two articles, and more significant reasons to merge the overlapping articles. --ColonelHenry (talk) 18:12, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you suggest a solution then? It either has to be 'List of songs written' or 'List of songs recorded'. If we use the latter, only songs she has written, inclusive of BMI, can be included. If we use the latter, only songs she recorded can be included, whether she wrote them or not, and BMI can't be included. The title 'List of songs written and recorded by' can't be used, as it implies she has written and recorded each and every song, which she hasn't. 'List of songs by'/'List of X songs' is the old format and isn't used anymore. So you can see why there are two articles presently. (By the way, I didn't want to have two separate articles). —  AARON  &bull; TALK   18:22, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I can see why two articles are used, but more importantly, I see why two articles should NOT be used. We still have List of compositions by Ludwig van Beethoven, List of bus routes in London. I don't see anything wrong with the old format, and think the editors who shift away from it were a little trigger-happy. Perhaps the model for a two-or-more-section article could be as List of books by or about Adolf Hitler, or List of Rutgers University people (with bold text for faculty members who are also alumni...something we can use when she recorded a song that she also wrote), or the list of songs recorded could be more properly merged into a Alicia Keys discography article.  However, the current issue with WP:CONTENTFORK needs to be resolved regardless of where the material ends up.--ColonelHenry (talk) 18:57, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I really like the 'List of compositions by', I like it a lot. Do you think that would work? —  AARON  &bull; TALK   20:03, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that could definitely work. — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 20:38, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem...but, does Alicia Keys write symphonies? There's a difference between a songwriter and a composer.--ColonelHenry (talk) 22:32, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well she writes compositions? She composes her material, like Mariah. —  AARON  &bull; TALK   10:12, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Regretful Oppose (as I can see that a lot of hard work went into this article). Clear WP:CONTENTFORK of List of songs recorded by Alicia Keys. Only a few of these songs she actually wrote for another artist; the others are her own songs, or songs she herself is featured on. I am too trying to think of a solution for a list that I started, that involves an artist who has written and recorded their own material, and also wrote and produced for other artists (although he has done a lot more than Keys has). — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 04:05, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well to be honest, this is as a result of consensus. We've been through the multiple options, and they were disregarded in favour for this option. The two lists are very different. Keys only has two separate lists because there is a clear divide between what she has written and what she has recorded. The other lists I've done for don't require the artist to have two lists, but in this case, Key's needs two. By the looks of it, Timberlake only needs one list, and that is a List of songs written by Justin Timberlake, as he writes all of his material and writes for others, and he has recorded a lot less than he has written. He is similar to Emeli Sandé list; she has only released one album and done some features, but she has got 99 songs logged on BMI, so hers it titled 'List of songs written by', as 'recorded by' would be pointless for her.


 * This isn't going anywhere, it's been motionless for well over a month now. I need to resolve the fork issue so if this could be closed please. Thanks. —  AARON  &bull; TALK   21:40, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


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