Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of speakers who have spoken to both Houses of the United Kingdom Parliament


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The list was promoted 23:26, 6 April 2008.

List of speakers who have spoken to both Houses of the United Kingdom Parliament
Bit out of my box on this one and arguably the longest title ever, but this is a factually accurate, well illustrated and useful list of a small group of individuals. I'm happy to address any and all concerns here and thank you in advance for anything you contribute. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The sentence "French President Albert Lebrun was the first of thirty different people to have addressed both the House of Commons and the House of Lords in March 1939." needs to be reworded.  Right now, it says that all 30 people addressed the Houses in March 1939, while the list shows otherwise.  Perhaps something along the lines of "In March, 1939, French President Albert Lebrun became the first person ever to address both the House of Commons and the House of Lords; subsequently, more than 30 other people proceeded to do the same." MeegsC | Talk 15:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely, a good point, that's what comes from not satisfactorily copyediting your own nonsense! I've removed the thirty altogether, nothing spectacular - the list says it all, and I've done a light c/e.  Thanks for your comment! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment What does your note 23, "Dalai Lama's speech was part of the All-party group on Tibet", mean? Struway2 (talk) 15:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Doesn't make sense does it? I can't find sufficient information to back up the claim so I've removed that note and other similar notes, unless anyone can find suitable references. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:32, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I imagine those notes mean that the speaker concerned addressed the Houses at the invitation of the group referred to. This article would appear to back up that interpretation in the Dalai Lama's case, at any rate. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess you're right but since the article doesn't expressly mention that, I'll take your ref and add it the article. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment You might want to explain why this list is so small—why is it unusual for someone to address both Houses at once? Don't assume too much understanding on the part of your (potentially non-UK) readers. MeegsC | Talk 18:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Another fair point. Although, having said that, the brevity of the list is almost self-explanatory.  I'll see what I can do.  And thanks for your correction!  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:32, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments


 * Urk, I think the article title will have to be longer. Many hundreds (perhaps thousands) of people have addressed both houses, just not at the same time. (Think of all those many, many MPs who've been "kicked upstairs" to the Lord's) Under the current title, the list is not comprehensive. Sorry.
 * Okay, assuming we can come to an agreeable answer on this, I'll move it... suggestions are welcome, I'd guess at something like "Speakers of who addressed both Houses of the United Kingdom Parliament at once" (so axe "List of...", change to "addressed" and add "at once"...) - countersuggestions? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be fine with that (without the stray "of"). Maybe "simultaneously"? NB I think page moves during this process causes a few glitches that need fixing. --Dweller (talk) 16:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's why I thought I'd try to get an agreement here and then change it later... Speakers who have addressed both Houses of the United Kingdom Parliament simultaneously it is then? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that works, even if it wins no brevity competitions. Good thinking on waiting. Might be worth putting a banner at the top of this page before it becomes a reason for opposing. --Dweller (talk) 16:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "on behalf of the Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs Committee". Not sure what the source says, but should it be "at the request of", as I doubt he'd have been a member of that Committee
 * Reworded and found another source at the same time which I've added to the list. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * In that same sentence, it seems that Mandela and Gorbachev spoke simultaneous, which would have been distracting and rather discourteous, though I've no doubt some elderly Peers may still have dropped off.
 * ''Chortle. Holds sides.  Okay, rephrased.
 * Sarkozy "most recent" as "last" sounds like a decision's been taken for it not to happen again, which I don't think is true.
 * Changed to most recent. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not give Gorby a position like you gave Kofi?
 * Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Think you need specific wikilink to Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama
 * Done, thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Article currently orphaned in mainspace terms, which is not ideal for Featured material.
 * Done. Sorted.  (You're getting very particular in your old age you know...! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My ignorance here - and perhaps should be covered in the text whether I'm right or wrong - doesn't the monarch address both Houses in the Lord's at the State Opening? --Dweller (talk) 15:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right, I guess the title could be made even longer to take into account that the speech is given in the House of Lords to members of both Houses while this list contains speeches made in a "neutral" venue. Anyway, I've added a caveat to the lead.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - all done. --Dweller (talk) 16:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments Looks like Dweller beat me to it on most things, but... -- ṃ• α• Ł• ṭ• ʰ• Ə• Щ•  @ 17:43, 28 March, 2008
 * Are there articles for the Royal Gallery and Commitee Rooms? Otherwise, where are this places?
 * No there aren't, they're all in the Palace of Westminster... I'll see what I can do.. The Rambling Man (talk)
 * Linked Royal Gallery to the relevant section of the Palace of Westminster, The Rambling Man (talk) 18:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there no "Position" for Mandela and the Lama?
 * Sorted now. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can any other articles be linked to this page?
 * Can't think of many, but I could link it to individual speaker's pages I guess... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Linked now very appropriately to the Royal Gallery discussion at Palace of Westminster The Rambling Man (talk) 18:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks like some of the lead has been removed, though I haven't checked to see if this was Vandalism or your own editing as I assume you're watching the page yourself -- ṃ• α• Ł• ṭ• ʰ• Ə• Щ<big style="color:#090">•  @ 19:04, 28 March, 2008
 * Yeah, it was me, I blew it, big time. Cut and corrupt as my QA manager would say.... Should be fixed now I hope.  Have you changed your sig again?!  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. User:Matthewedwards/sig. It's set up so that every time I enter it, the border changes colour. The only thing I need to remember is to remove a ~ every time I press the sig button. However, someone told me it was "very disruptive", so I might change it again. -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#008080 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•  @ 19:37, 28 March, 2008

Support Another good one from the List Factory that is TRM -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#4682b4 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  20:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Support Good topic, nicely formatted, appears to be thoroughly sourced. Congratulations and thanks! --Orlady (talk) 02:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Support as nom (did I mention that?!) The Rambling Man (talk) 07:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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