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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 20:18, 10 October 2009.

List of tallest buildings and structures in Liverpool

 * Nominator(s): Tsange ► talk 19:27, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because i feel the page is up to FL quality. Tsange ► talk 19:27, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment What is the difference between a building and a structure? Why can't the article just be named "List of tallest buildings in Liverpool", like the articles in Category:Lists of tallest buildings in the United States? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I think its optional as seen on this template Template:TBSW some list structures and buildings together and some don't. The other cities in th UK such as London, Manchester and Salford all list in the same way. Tsange ► talk 14:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * But the UK featured lists are a)not up to current FL standards anymore, and b) not even consistent; for example List of tallest buildings in Glasgow. "structures" just seems redundant. I think all of those lists should be moved. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:16, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What's the status on this? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments by --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Compare your list with List_of_tallest_buildings_in_San_Diego which was recently featured.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Get an image for every constructed structure or building. Look on flickr for that and ask users to release their images for the cause of the article and knowledge.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) You don't need "Year completed" just "Year" is sufficient.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)done
 * 4) You need to standarize the way the you display meters and feet in the column. (Merge the meters and feet columns in "Timeline of tallest buildings and structures" and have Put Feet in brackets ie. 90 (295). --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)done
 * 5) Remove the color codes--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)done
 * 6) Add the coordinates for every building.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)done
 * 7) I suggest going to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Liverpool_Skyline.PNG and adding notes indicating what each building is called.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)done
 * 8) Remove the see also section, List of tallest structures in the United Kingdom is mentioned in the bottom template.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)done
 * 9) I suggest having in the height header "metres (ft)" since this reflect the actual format of height numbers and not "meters/ft".--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 18:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)done
 * 10) UK tallest buildings lists should also say "Lists of tallest buildings and structures in the United Kingdom"--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)done
 * Thanks for all the comments, but I think that the colour codes should stay as not to make it different from the other UK cities FL's such as...


 * List of tallest buildings and structures in London
 * List of tallest buildings and structures in Manchester
 * List of tallest buildings and structures in Salford
 * Well these lists were promoted more than a year ago and buldings lists have gone a long way since then. List of tallest buildings and structures in Manchester and List of tallest buildings and structures in Salford tables need to be sortable, should have their meter and feet columns merged, should have year instead of "built" and "completed" and the slash in List of tallest buildings and structures in London in Height should be replaced with brackets. The lead of those lists are missing references on many occasions. Please look at recently promoted buildings lists and improve based on those not on older ones. The color codes don't serve any purpose and aren't consistent with other buildings lists like List of tallest buildings in Bucharest and List of tallest buildings in San Diego.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 18:18, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Tsange ► talk 17:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Oppose for the following reasons:
 * 1) You need to add ALT text to all images.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 13:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) The References in the Under construction section contain a lot of info that could be added to the notes section. Please add them.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 13:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Center the height, Floors, Year, Coordinates and Notes.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 13:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)done
 * Please address the issues above ^ .--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 05:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose.
 * Please, standardize all dates. They should be either Jul 17 2007 or July 17, 2007 or 17/07/2007 or 17-07-2007. Now all these formats are used. Ruslik_ Zero 12:49, 20 September 2009 (UTC)done
 * I should add that the latter two formats are not used on Wikipedia. I suggest using July 17, 2007, or 17 July 2007. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:16, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I will begin fixing this issue. And will be using the July 17 2007 format. Tsange ► talk 18:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, as it is a UK topic, the 17 July 2007 format should be used, as that's the way dates are written in the UK -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:17, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. July 17 2007 looks awkward and is non-standard. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:05, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok I will use the 17 July 2007 format.done Tsange ► talk 20:21, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Support. Comment in the early 19th century when the city became one of the major importers of cotton and slaves. I have thought that slavery in Britain was effectively abolished after the Somersett's_Case and specially after Slave Trade Act of 1807. So, can you explain how Liverpool could import slaves in early 19th century? Ruslik_ Zero 18:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Ruslik, you are absolutely right. I have fixed the problem. good job spotting it! Tsange ► talk 18:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Industrial revolution was at the end of 18-th/beginng of 19-th century. So, no slaves during industrial revolution. Ruslik_ Zero 19:43, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have amended the text. Tsange ► talk 14:03, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Changed to support. Ruslik_ Zero 14:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Oppose for now I'm still not convinced that the article's title is the best, and the lead sentence has not been improved. Furthermore, the lead's prose needs improvement ("outside of " redundancy, "In 1965 the Liver Building's 54-year reign ... " is a run-on sentence). Common terms such as United Kingdom should not be linked, and in general don't link words more than once in a section. Conversions are needed in the lead. What makes http://www.e-architect.co.uk/liverpool/mann_island_liverpool.htm and http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=443 reliable sources? I'm willing to withdrawn my oppose, but not until some work is done. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I recently had List of tallest buildings and structures in Tokyo promoted, despite its name. If ANYTHING, the articles should be named "List of tallest structures in..." because not all structures are buildings. Either way, I'm ok with the current title. --T orsodo g Talk 18:13, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Comments At the moment I oppose mainly on the prose in the Lede. Matthewedwards : Chat  02:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Torsodog makes a point. All buildings are structures, but not all structures are buildings. The lede does need work. I suggest you contacting User:Raime who has worked on a number of featured tall building lists.
 * The panoramic photograph should have a caption that corresponds with the scope of the article, and list each tallest building, not just 3
 * Surely we should be using Title case on website names in references?
 * I doubt the EL for a car park is appropriate, nor the one for the developers
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.