Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of winners of the London Marathon/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 22:12, 2 June 2009.

List of winners of the London Marathon

 * Nominator(s): Matthewedwards : Chat  04:04, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

After working on this for about a week, I think it's pretty much ready. There's a few redlinks, but they should be blue by the end of the nomination. Lede section may be a bit long for some. If that's the case I can shift some of it over to London Marathon, which is a bit anemic in well referenced statements. Matthewedwards : Chat  04:04, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment — Chris!  c t 04:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It might be to good to divide the refs into general refs and specific refs like many FLs
 * I think the tables should use full size text whenever possible
 * I've done the general/specific thing, although I think it's a pretty odd way of doing them. I tried making fonts in the tables 100%, but it results in the first two tables having narrower columns than the rest, even with forced column widths. I don't know why.. maybe something to do witht the images? I'll have to have a play around at some point. Matthewedwards : Chat  05:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Did this edit work out that problem? Not sure if it works across all resolutions. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU!  21:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Failed: doesn't work on resolutions less than 1260 x 720. Does anyone know how to make image sizes a percentage of the screen? Should the images be reduced further in size? Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU!  21:53, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Your edit made it worse, I think. Could you revert that edit, pease?-- Crzycheetah 05:58, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Reverted, still trying to implement a decent solution for this as it occurs across a number of list. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU!  12:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Support — Chris!  c t 02:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Comments - on lead prose —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rambo's Revenge (talk • contribs) 21:37, May 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * "7,741 participants entered ", don't start sentences with numbers per MOSNUM
 * "first Men's race", I'm not sure capitalise Men's, similarly with Women's. I wasn't sure but I notice this FL is lower case for "men's discus" in the lead.
 * "19 people competed, and seventeen finished" comparable quantities
 * "saw 35,859 competitors" - don't think "saw" is the most encyclopaedic word here
 * "It remained here for twelve years" - this might not be right, but I'd have thought it should be "there" not "here"
 * "In 2005 the route" comma after 05
 * Thanks for looking. I've done everything except the "Men's race"/"men's race" thing. I've seen both, but capitalised is used more often at the BBC, Guardian and what-have-you. What do you think of the "7,741 participants" sentence now? I can't come up with anything less clumsy. Matthewedwards : Chat  23:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I downloaded a torrent of the BBC's coverage of this year's race, and they refer to the races as Men's Elite Race, Women's Elite Race, Men's Wheelchair Race and Women's Wheelchair Race on the on-screen graphics. I've updated the page to reflect this. Matthewedwards : Chat  18:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No issues of mine remain, and I'm happy with your take on the Men's vs men's comment. Saying that, I haven't had an in-depth look so I don't feel it would be right to support. Best, Rambo's Revenge (talk)  17:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Comments – Nice one. Only a couple of things I saw stuck out at me:
 * Link for Isle of Dogs in the second paragraph? Also, there are two River Thames links in a single paragraph.
 * Done Matthewedwards : Chat


 * "The most recent win by a British athlete was the 2008 London Marathon, by David Weir in the Men's wheelchair race." Soemthing about this is bothering me. I think it's the fact that we're saying Weir won the marathon, when he actually only won one of the event's races. Is this considered normal usage in the media when describing winners?  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 01:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think putting "The most recent win by a British athlete was in the 2008 London Marathon, by David Weir in the Men's wheelchair race." will solve the problem?
 * Yes, I think it would.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 22:11, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Took care of it myself.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 23:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, and Constitution Hill is a disambiguation link.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 01:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Thought I'd got them all. All done Matthewedwards : Chat  15:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

-- Crzycheetah 05:19, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * I expected to see the info about the course in the first paragraph. I think it's more important than all the stats in the first paragraph, but that's just me.
 * Done Matthewedwards : Chat
 * Why do you have "Wheelchair race" as a section with 2 sub-sections? I think those sub sections need to become sections. It looks offending to me.
 * Done Matthewedwards : Chat
 * Redlinks are gone now. (breathes a giant sigh of relief)> Geraldk (talk) 15:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You've done a great job on that, Gerald. Well done! Matthewedwards : Chat  15:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:13, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:02, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Any progress forthcoming on the text size? I'm inclined to support otherwise.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 23:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Font size now at 100% after a bit of resizing of the table's column. It should look okay at most resolutions now. Matthewedwards : Chat  04:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Looks good to me.-- Crzycheetah 04:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Matthewedwards : Chat  04:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Support – My issues were taken care of a while ago; I was just waiting for the font size issue to be resolved, which it is now.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 23:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Review by 
 * Lead
 * A lot of use of Heading, can it be used less often as the starting word of the sentences in the second paragraph?
 * Done Matthewedwards : Chat
 * 'In 2005, the route around the Isle of Dogs between the 14- and 21- mile marks was switched from a clockwise to an anti-clockwise direction, and at 22 miles the route was diverted to avoid the cobblestoned area near the Tower of London.' -- 1)Shouldn't it be 21-mile marks? 2)'anti-clockwise' --> counterclockwise? 3)Comma after '22 miles'
 * British English is "anti-clockwise" Matthewedwards : Chat
 * Oh okay, well can #1 and #3 be done?-- T ru  c o   18:42, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * List
 * Why are the notes not starting with capital letters?
 * They don't in the other Marathon FLs. Fixed. Matthewedwards : Chat
 * It would be better if the commas separating different ideas in the notes be replaced with semicolon's.
 * OK Matthewedwards : Chat
 * I'm not a real fan of using the '1st, 2nd, 3rd' numbering system for things like the number of victories, why not just spell them out?
 * OK Matthewedwards : Chat

-- T ru  c o   15:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing. Everyhing's been done. Matthewedwards : Chat  17:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Support The Rambling Man (talk) 08:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Everything looks great! The lead is very long, but I think it's okay. I'm sure you have, but be sure the main article is good quality too. Reywas92 Talk  17:59, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Support I agree with Reywas92 that the lead is quite long, but it is still very informative and is a help rather than a hindrance to the list overall. I'm still thinking of a decent image stacking solution for images alongside tables, but it's more of a niggling technical issue rather than a true problem. You have my support. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU!  05:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Yes, the lede is rather long now. The route paragraph has already been copied over to London Marathon, perhaps it would be better removed from here and just leaving the 26.2 mile detail in. It is after all the only paragraph not related to the actual winners, and doing this would reduce it to four paragraphs, in line with WP:LEDE. Matthewedwards : Chat  06:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like a good decision to me. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU!  15:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Since there's a template available now, the see also section can be removed.-- Crzycheetah 03:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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