Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Mariah Carey singles discography/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 03:39, 4 November 2010.

Mariah Carey singles discography

 * Nominator(s): Peter Griffin   &bull;  Talk2Me   09:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets all FLC criteria. Thanks to all who participate :)! Peter Griffin   &bull;  Talk2Me   09:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment—a dab link to I'll Be There; no dead external links. Ucucha 23:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed :)-- Peter Griffin  &bull;  Talk2Me   02:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Support Let's leave them there. I did 2 more fixes in the lead. Support. Max24 (talk) 08:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you -- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   08:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments - Ref 3, 17, 19, 47 needs a language parameter. Afro  ( Talk ) 13:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Fixed! :)-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   22:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Question, I see in the certification column that the Swiss Music Charts are abbreviated CH which does confuse me slightly as a reader since its abbreviated SW in the top column, why is the abbreviation changed? Afro  ( Talk ) 22:49, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. I changed them all to 3 letter abbreviations where applicable to make things easier :). I think its all fixed.-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   23:19, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Support - I'm gonna throw in my support I see no problem with it. Afro ( Talk ) 16:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Disagree. See my comments on main article talk page. Plus all that text at the start of the article is unnecessary - we can SEE which singles topped the charts in which territories, which years albums were released in etc. by looking at the information below. Why does that information need to be preceded by a wordy preamble? Nathan86 (talk) 05:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It is necessary. This is the style and format done in all FL articlles. I'm sorry you don't approve, but its how its done.-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   06:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Per WP:LEAD "The lead serves both as an introduction to the article and as a summary of its most important aspects.". Afro  ( Talk ) 16:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much Afkatk! Your help and support is very much appreciated! :D-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   22:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The introduction to this article is not just a "summary of its most important aspects" but includes superfluous information that belongs in either the main Mariah Carey article or individual song/album articles (eg "The song was called "one of the most stunning debut releases ever by a pop recording artist," and is credited with inspiring the use of melisma throughout the 1990s."). Plus, at 3 paragraphs for an article of less that 2,000 charatcters it is MUCH longer than the "one or two paragraphs" suggested by WP:LEAD for articles under 15,000 characters.
 * In addition, i see no one has bothered to fix any of the issues I outlined on the main article talk page. Nathan86 (talk) 01:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As explained in WP:LEAD "The lead should establish significance, include mention of notable criticism or controversies, and be written in a way that makes readers want to know more." in WP:LEAD "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. As a general guideline, the lead should be no longer than four paragraphs.". in my view there is no problem with the length of the lead. Afro  ( Talk ) 13:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said before, much of the introduction belongs on either song or album article pages... using the example I gave before, "The song was called "one of the most stunning debut releases ever by a pop recording artist," and is credited with inspiring the use of melisma throughout the 1990s." has nothing to do with her discography as a whole, but rather, the individual song.
 * Regarding the length; as you very correctly point out, "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article." And as stated by WP:LEAD; articles with less than 15,000 characters should have "one or two" paragraph introductions. This article has less than 2,000; and a four-paragraph introduction is only suggested for articles containing more than 30,000 characters. Nathan86 (talk) 02:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, the article is still missing promo releases, has promo singles incorrectly listed as commercial releases, has commercial releases listed as promo singles, has charting album cuts listed as promo releases, has guest appearances listed with Carey as main artist, and has singles listed as being lifted from albums that (in their standard international issue) do not contain those songs. Nathan86 (talk) 02:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Support - Everything looks good. Its well-written and sourced. Good job!--AlastorMoody (talk) 09:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you :)-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   10:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Support Well done. Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I forgot: I am assuming that "Never Too Far" and "Don't Stop (Funkin' 4 Jamaica)" were released as a double A-side in some countries. Can you please note this somehow? Thanks, Adabow (talk · contribs) 07:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Done!-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   17:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


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