Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Mexican National Welterweight Championship/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 17:35, 1 December 2009.

Mexican National Welterweight Championship

 * Nominator(s):  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 10:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I have nominated this list after working on it for a long time, both the copyedit and the red link criteria. I've created articles for Jack O'Brien (wrestler), Alberto Muñoz, Kung Fu (wrestler), Américo Rocca, Franco Columbo, El Supremo (wrestler), Mocho Cota, Chamaco Valaguez, Águila Solitaria, Ciclón Ramírez, Fantasma de la Quebrada, El Salsero, Nygma (wrestler), El Torero, Karloff Lagarde, Jr., Tigre Blanco, Doctor X (wrestler), Valiente (wrestler) and I now believe it fulfils all FL criterias.

The remaining names on the list are not linked, I could not find much information on them in general, the only notable thing seems to be winning this title and no other titles. I left them unliked as I don't think it's realistic that anyone could find enough information to establish much in the way of notability. It follows the pattern and format of all the other wrestling championship lists I've brought to FL status.

Any and all comments are welcome.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 10:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Support: Meets to me.-- Will C  06:40, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Give review tomorrow hopefully. At the moment, it seems fine from just skiming it, but never know.-- Will C  06:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * WL's review
 * Lead
 * "The Mexican National Welterweight Championship (Campeonato Nacional Peso Welter in Spanish) is a Mexican professional wrestling championship" → "The Mexican National Welterweight Championship (Campeonato Nacional Peso Welter in Spanish) is a Mexican professional wrestling welterweight championship" To be clear and match articles of this nature.
 * It's pretty clear already, I mean the weightclass is already in the name, saying the welterweight championship is a welterweight championship is redundant IMO. MPJ-DK  (36,6% Done) Talk 07:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well this is the introduction. It is like world heavyweight championships. We state they are whcs after we give the name still.-- Will C  03:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I've never used that introduction and most of my FLs have not been for heavyweight titles.  MPJ-DK  (36,6% Done) Talk 06:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, but to show how things have usually been done. Thought it was best to follow the usual format.-- Will C  20:20, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "The usual format" is one that's not actually applied to 90% of the titles with actual weight limits, so I respectfully disagree that it's "how this have usually been done" and the fact that it's redundant and IMO poor writing.  MPJ-DK  (36,6% Done) Talk 06:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, just thought it was better to keep consistent between championship articles. But that isn't a must. Fine.-- Will C  07:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * "(EMLL; later renamed Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre, CMLL)" → "(EMLL; later renamed CMLL)" Mentioned earlier, don't see a reason to repeat.
 * Good catch, I chose to have the long spelled out name though and removed the abbriviation as that was established earlier. MPJ-DK  (36,6% Done) Talk 07:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay.-- Will C  03:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * "having defeated Sangre Azteca for the title." → "having defeated Sangre Azteca." Seems a bit redundant.
 * Fixed.  MPJ-DK  (36,6% Done) Talk 07:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay.-- Will C  03:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Title history
 * Fine, but having the notes in the notes section be full sentences would be nice.
 * Reigns by combined length
 * Will assume everything is in order since this isn't your first go around.
 * Footnotes
 * I see some say between 1 day and, etc. You know, I would change it to between 0 days, etc. Maining because it is possible they could have lost the same day they lost it. Just a thought, that is what I've been doing with List of WCW World Television Champions in a subpage.
 * 0 or 1 are both assumptions with 1 being much more likely in Mexican wrestling, It's never been commented before so maybe opening this issue up to other reviwers? Wether reigns with an unknown length should be listed as between 0 days and "end" or 1 day and "end".  MPJ-DK  (36,6% Done) Talk 07:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well if you look at this subpage of my work, you'll hopefully see the reason I think it should be the other way.-- Will C  03:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * References
 * Seems fine.-- Will C  06:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Support – Meets FL standards after the fixes.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 17:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:17, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:17, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ref 3, what does "pp. all" mean? Dabomb87 (talk) 21:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It means the entire book is the source. The claim is that it's one of the oldest still existing titles, the book is the collective title history going back to the turn of the last century and it proves that there are only 2 or 3 titles as old as this one still around (and they're all "Mexican National" titles) I changed the "All" to the page range of the actual title history in the book.  MPJ-DK  (40,4% Done) Talk 11:15, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input.  MPJ-DK  (40,4% Done) Talk 11:15, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support.—NMajdan &bull;talk 14:47, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


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