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Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award

 * Nominator(s): Bluesatellite (talk) 04:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets WP:FL requirements. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I made a few fixes and am now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:55, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support- great work!..Akhiljaxxn (talk) 08:22, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Very well done overall, but it's a shame that we couldn't get a picture of the actual award. I assume they were all copyrighted. ~ HAL  333  23:01, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support: Good job, I could not find anything more that requires improvement. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 23:13, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * "outstanding" from "outstanding contributions and profound impact" sounds like puffery
 * Added quotation mark, per source.
 * I'm not convinced nationality of recipients is really relevant here. Either way, let's get rid of the flag icons per WP:Manual_of_Style/Icons.
 * Flags removed then.
 * No concerns with File:The Fabs.JPG, File:David Byrne 2006.jpg, File:Michaeljackson (cropped).jpg, File:Bon Jovi 2010.png, File:The Rolling Stones Summerfest in Milwaukee - 2015.jpg, File:Padova REM concert July 22 2003 blue.jpg, File:LL.COOL J. 1999.jpg, File:2005-11-21 U2 @ MSG by ZG.JPG, File:EXIT 2012 Duran Duran (1).jpg, File:Britney HIAM Cleveland.jpg, or File:Missy Elliott 2006.jpg.
 * Good.
 * Perhaps you could swap out File:Richard Lester.jpg for something with a more forward-facing view like File:Richard Lester Bologna 2014.jpg, which also has a known author, plus I somehow can't seem to access the file source right now for what's currently in place (maybe that's just a connection/security issue)
 * Changed to the cropped version of File:Richard Lester Bologna 2014.jpg.
 * While the licensing for File:David-Bowie Chicago 2002-08-08 photoby Adam-Bielawski-cropped.jpg is valid, I'd also aim for a something that gives a clearer view of Bowie's face.
 * Changed to File:David Bowie (1987).jpg.
 * Both file sources for File:Godley & Creme.jpg say "All rights reserved". Unless there's something I've misunderstood, I'm pretty sure that means they're copyrighted and we should opt for other images.
 * Oh wow, the photographer changed the copyright status on Flickr. It was tagged as "cc-by-sa-2.0" in 2014. And according to this: "The CC licenses are irrevocable. This means that once you receive material under a CC license, you will always have the right to use it under those license terms, even if the licensor changes his or her mind and stops distributing under the CC license terms."
 * I will assume good faith that the "own work" claims for File:Madonna's Confessions in Paris 3.jpg, File:Zbigniew Rybczyński.jpg, File:Peter Gabriel-Conspiracy of Hope-by Steven Toole.jpg, File:Wayne Isham nagroda-Award Outstanding Achieverements in the Field of Music Videos. Camerimage 2017 (cropped).jpg, File:Guns n Roses Nottingham 2012.JPG, File:Tom Petty 2016 - Jun 20.jpg. File:Mark Romanek Tokyo Intl Filmfest 2010.jpg, and File:Kanye West at the 2009 Tribeca Film Festival-2.jpg are valid when no evidence suggests otherwise
 * Good
 * Try to find something free for Julien Temple that doesn't have a side-facing view like File:Julien Temple.jpg
 * Sadly, that's the only picture available for free.
 * File:George Michael Symphonica (1).jpg has subpar lighting, and I recommend using another pic
 * Changed to File:George Michael (2011).jpg ??
 * File:Janet Jackson 10 cropped.jpg seems a bit blurry, or is that just an issue with zooming in? Maybe the cropping could be altered when this doesn't have such visual problems.
 * Changed to File:JanetJacksonUnbreakableTourSanFran2015 (cropped).jpg
 * The file source for File:Beastieboys-sonar07.jpg is giving me a 403 error, and I'd prefer something that doesn't require a login to be accessed
 * Changed to File:Beastie Boys 2009 (6184423405).jpg
 * Either find a replacement URL for File:Rhcp-live-pinkpop05.jpg (I'm getting "page not found"), or use another image in its place
 * I can't think of any better image. Any suggestion?? File:Rhcp-live-pinkpop05.jpg has been reviewed when it was originally uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. And again, the CC licenses are irrevocable, once it's put out for free, it could be used forever.
 * File:Justin Timberlake 2007-2.jpg was clearly edited to remove its background, and I see no good reason not to just replace it with File:Justintimberlake.jpg, which is more faithful to its origin by not getting altered at all aside from cropping to focus on Timberlake's face
 * How about File:JustinTimberlakeJune07 crop.jpg?
 * I got a 404 error when assessing File:Beyonce - Montreal 2013 (3) crop.jpg, so fix the link or get another Beyoncé photo
 * How about this?
 * Another "All rights reserved" issue for File:Rihanna 5, 2012.jpg, plus its file source is plastered repeatedly with the author's name on it. Thankfully there are many free substitutes from commons for Rihanna.
 * Changed to File:Rihanna, 2010, Paris.jpg
 * Sadly, another 404 error for File:P!nk_Live_2013.jpg
 * Changed to this.
 * I don't see File:The opening ceremony of the FIFA World Cup 2014 13 (cropped).jpg in its file source
 * Changed to this.
 * Are no free images available for Russell Mulcahy or Hype Williams?
 * I've tried to search, but sadly nothing's available.

There's some work to be done with the media use, which hopefully can get resolved soon. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 16:19, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for giving time reviewing the article, . Let me know if anything else needed to be fixed. Bluesatellite (talk) 02:37, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Definitely looking better. The problem with your Timberlake replacement idea is that its file source links to a 2013 picture of him. As for the Red Hot Chili Peppers, you could use File:Red Hot Slane.jpg. Since your suggestion for Beyoncé sadly is marked as "All rights reserved", let's try something else like perhaps File:Beyonce - The Formation World Tour, at Wembley Stadium in London, England.jpg. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * RHC, Justin, Beyonce changed. Bluesatellite (talk) 03:16, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

This has my support following sufficient improvements. SNUGGUMS (talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 03:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Source review and query – The formatting and reliability of the sources both look okay, and the link-checker tool shows no problems, so the source review is a pass. While I'm here, did they keep Jackson's name in the award title? I remember seeing an ad for the last MTV Music Video Awards that said Missy Elliott was receiving the Video Vanguard Award, which didn't mention Jackson's name, and thought it was possible that they took his name out after the controversies surrounding him gained publicity. Have you seen anything in sources to that effect or am I off base here? Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * MTV played it safe, they never made any official confirmation regarding the award naming. The VMAs website lists it as video vanguard award, but Missy Elliot herself called it "Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award" in her acceptance speech. Whichever is official, I personally think "Video Vanguard Award" is more common. Bluesatellite (talk) 00:29, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If there's nothing in reliable sources confirming a name change, then I don't think any renaming is necessary for FL status, although I do suggest keeping an eye on sources in the future to see how the title is handled. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 20:11, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Bluesatellite (talk) 22:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  03:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


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