Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Mnet Asian Music Award for Best Music Video/archive1


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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC).

Mnet Asian Music Award for Best Music Video

 * Nominator(s): ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  20:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because the Mnet Asian Music Awards is commonly known as the biggest K-pop awards show in the industry. The Best Music Video category, in particular, was perhaps the most prestigious award in the event from its inauguration ceremony from 1999–2005. Since then, it has been demoted to one of the regular awards; however, it still holds important value in the event's history as it was formerly an event that aimed to honor the development of music videos in a time where the modern music industry in South Korea was still developing. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯  talk  20:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * "and was retitled as "Best Music Video"" => "and it was retitled as "Best Music Video""
 * "the most wins in the category—having won for four consecutive years" => "the most wins in the category, having won for four consecutive years"
 * Lee Seung-hwan, 2PM, Blackpink, and BTS image captions are all full sentences so need full stops
 * Think that's all I got - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:17, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * All fixed, thanks! ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  21:44, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

 * Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting + caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting + instead.
 * Avoid having column headers in the middle of the table, like you have for "Music Video of the Year (daesang)" and "Best Music Video". Screen reader software won't treat it the say you're intending visual readers to treat it - like an exception line in the middle of a table - but instead as a stretch out first column cell (so, "year: Music Video of the Year (daesang)"). They also prevent you from having the table be sortable. See MOS:COLHEAD for more details.
 * Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. -- Pres N  00:57, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  02:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:24, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Image review — Pass
ALT text looks good! All images are appropriately licenced. Pass for image review. Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:57, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Comments Support by Gerald Waldo Luis
Looks like a decent article! Will support after all comments resolved.


 * Done ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  17:46, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Support with all comms resolved. Great work! Btw if you are interested, I have an open FLC which is also in need of a source review.  Gerald WL  18:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Comments from TRM

 * "by CJ E&M Pictures (Mnet) at the" perhaps I'm the only one confused by this, the first link is a redirect, the second link is to a TV channel. What does all this mean?
 * Mnet is owned by CJ E&M.


 * It says "in 1999 as the Mnet Music Video Festival" but the link title is "1999 Mnet Video Music Awards"? It does say "The award-giving body began in this year under the name "Mnet Km Music Festival" (MKMF).[2]" but that's still different from what is written here.  Which is correct?
 * Fixed

That's it for now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:46, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * "the MTV Video Music Awards.[3] From" no need to pipe to the singular which then only redirects back to the plural.
 * "went through an" -> "underwent an"
 * "In 1999, the prize was first presented" Perhaps "The inaugural Mnet Asian Music Award for Best Music Video was presented..." to reiterate the subject again.
 * "between 2017–21" would prefer prose, i.e. between 2017 and 2021.
 * "Three artists share the title for second-most wins" there's no such "title". You mean "Three artists have won the award twice..."
 * "as the lead artist" what does that add?
 * "From 1999–2005, the category" can relink 1999 first time in the main body of the article.
 * "2000–03" 2000–2003 per MOS.
 * "2004–05" so "2004–2005" to be consistent.
 * "the winner was instead announced live at the ceremony." well one assumes that whether there were nominations or not, the winner is ''still' announced live, I think what you mean is that there was no list of nominees unveiled, just the winner announced at the early ceremonies.
 * "2004 recipient for..." etc. Try to avoid starting sentences (or even fragments) with numbers.  Reword it, e.g. "blah was a recipient ... in 2004" etc.
 * "No list of nominees was made available for the former daesang during the course..." also looks like this was the case from 2019 onwards as well...?


 * ✅ ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  18:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Dank

 * Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
 * "Since then, four artists have received the accolade more than once; among them, BTS holds the distinction for the most wins in the category, winning for five consecutive years between 2017 and 2021. Three artists have won the award twice: Big Bang, Psy and 2NE1.": I'm not sure what this is saying. If Big Bang, Psy and 2NE1 have won twice and BTS has won five times, then it would be better to say that, and leave out "four artists have received".
 * At least one of the redirects is a double-redirect: Big Mama -> Big Mama (band) -> Big Mama (group). Please check the links in the sortable columns of the two tables.
 * Checking the FLC criteria:
 * 1. I've done a little copyediting; feel free to revert or discuss. The table coding seems fine. I checked sorting on all sortable columns.
 * 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
 * 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
 * 3b. I'm going to skip the sourcing part of this review, since these things have been covered above, and it's an area I'm weak in.
 * 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
 * 4. It is navigable.
 * 5. It meets style requirements. An image review has already been done, above.
 * 6. It is stable.
 * Close enough for a support. Well done. - Dank (push to talk) 02:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Source review passed; promoting. -- Pres N  00:14, 8 April 2022 (UTC)


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