Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Ne-Yo discography/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 20:18, 10 October 2009.

Ne-Yo discography

 * Nominator(s): Mister sparky (talk) 15:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because i have done extensive work on improving this article, its content, sourcing etc and feel its a good representation of the artists work Mister sparky (talk) 15:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) Don't Overlink in the list. Link the Charts only once.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 12:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * fixed. Mister sparky (talk) 13:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) "Ne-Yo: The Collection" didn't chart and didn't receive the certification. Please remove the two columns and the ""—" denotes the album failed to chart or was not released" sentence.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 12:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * have hidden the section until it is released elsewhere because so far just in Japan. Mister sparky (talk) 13:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) All the Studio Albums charted so remove ""—" denotes the album failed to chart or was not released".--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 12:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * good point. removed. Mister sparky (talk) 13:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Type out acronyms the first time they're mentioned in the references.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 12:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * missed that one! done. Mister sparky (talk) 13:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Some Paragraphs in the lead are only one sentence long, please either expand them or merge them with the other paragraphs.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 12:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * done. Mister sparky (talk) 13:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) In the infobox it say 1 Compilation album. Erm, where is it?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 13:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * oops forgot to remove it from there. Mister sparky (talk) 13:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) "In 2006 Ne-Yo released his debut album, In My Own Words and it debuted at number one on" maybe ", debuting at number one" or anything better would improve this sentence.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:37, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * changed. i'm not very good at phrasing things tho... Mister sparky (talk) 00:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) Provide a better caption for the infobox image. Where was this photo taken, what is he performing.... Look on flickr or ask the user about that--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:37, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Add ""—" denotes the single failed to chart or not released" to the "As featured artist" table.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:37, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Mister sparky (talk) 00:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) The Lead should contain information about his singles as featured artists. Info about his songs for soundtracks and so on...--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:37, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) A sign denoting that an Album is the original soundtrack of a film would be nice.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:37, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * added for the last kiss. Mister sparky (talk) 00:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Oppose The list is very incomplete, check All music
 * 1) The list is missing "Tell Me U Love Me" as a compilation and maybe the Ne yo collection--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 10:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * tell me u love me is a promo cd of demo's which MOS:DISCOG says cant be included. the ne-yo collection is there, just hidden until it receives its full release and charts next month. Mister sparky (talk) 11:44, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) He had way more singles and extended plays--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 10:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * all of his officially released singles are included. allmusic just lists different versions of the same thing. as with every country different versions of the same single are released. Mister sparky (talk) 11:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) A Video Album was released--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 10:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * a video single for mad was released, not a video album. Mister sparky (talk) 11:47, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Support (suspended Support until further comments by Matthewedwards are resolved) everything looks good.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 12:25, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Neutral on the whole with regard to the list until the information is verified.

Sources
 * The refs are formatted inconsistently. For the Allmusic refs, you list the name of the website (Allmusic), followed by the publisher (Macrovision), and list both as unitalicized. For the other refs though, you italicize the name of the website and don't italicize the name of the publisher. This is inconsistent. On the whole, the first style is more correct. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:47, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * have un-italicised the refs. Mister sparky (talk) 00:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Perhaps you can fix this on your other discographies, too...? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * hmmm...hint taken. and what did you mean above by "until the information is verified"? Mister sparky (talk) 05:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm waiting until someone makes sure that the info in the article matches the sources. I don't have time to do this myself, so I'm waiting for someone else to do it so I can be sure. I might get a chance to take a look later this week. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments
 * Prose in lead section needs some work:
 * "an American pop and R&B singer-songwriter, record producer,"
 * "In 2006 Ne-Yo's debut album, In My Own Words debuted" -- should have a second comma after the album title
 * "In the same week his second single "So Sick" debuted" -- commas should be inserted here, too
 * "The album has been certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America[3]" -- Missing a closing full stop
 * changed and gone through the rest. Mister sparky (talk) 15:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Please include Ne-Yo: The Collection in the discography and the Infobox
 * it was there, just hidden. but have un-hidden it. Mister sparky (talk) 16:18, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The Navbox for Ne-yo has a redlink for "Good Night Good Morning" -- can this be verified and added to the article if it's true?
 * yep it does exist, brandy ft. ne-yo, due out this month. added. Mister sparky (talk) 16:24, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Ref 1 points to the overview page, but it is being used to verify US and Canadian chart positions. The actual page needed to verify is another two clicks away. Can you fix this for albums and singles, please?
 * fixed for albums and singles. Mister sparky (talk) 16:29, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * They still point to the Overview page. You need http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&searchlink=NE-YO&sql=11:fzfwxqysld6e~T5 for the albums and http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&searchlink=NE-YO&sql=11:fzfwxqysld6e~T51 for the singles. Really, I shouldn't have to do this Matthewedwards : Chat  15:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup, you're right. My apologies. It's odd, using popups, the link takes you to the overview page, but clicking the link in the ref section takes you to the right page. Very odd. Matthewedwards : Chat  16:35, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * if you look at the refs, they are exactly the same links that are already there. it goes to the right page when i click on it? Mister sparky (talk) 15:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Allmusic says "Ladies Man" is a 2009 Neyo album, but I don't see it here
 * yea i noticed this but the only other places i have seen it are sites like amazon, which i'm told cant be relied on, and on torrent sites. so i wasn't sure whether to include it or not. Mister sparky (talk) 16:29, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, to be honest. Surely Amazon can be used to prove something exists? I don't know. Anyway, the fact that it does exist means it should be included, otherwise it's not a complete set of items Matthewedwards : Chat  15:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * thats what i thought, but it previous FLC's reviewers have said sites like amazon cant be used. so i'm really confused! Mister sparky (talk) 15:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Do u have any example in mind?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * at my very first FL nomination the Lostprophets discography, was told amazon cannot be used as a source because it is unreliable because it is a retail outlet. Mister sparky (talk) 15:27, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a mixtape, don't know if that's considered an album... Play.com has it and u can use Amazon but only under certain conditions... You are using it here to display that it exists, was released and is available to the public. You can't use it maybe for track listing or saying who is featured in the Album. On Lostprophets you used it for displaying them as part of the singers in the Album, this is listed in the description which isn't reliable.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * well i'll let you and matt decide whether it should be included, yes or no guys? Mister sparky (talk) 20:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The ref for Canadian singles shows positions for two singles on the Canadian Singles Chart, the rest are all on the Hot Canadian Digital Singles. Since our discog is linked to Canadian Hot 100, which is the Singles Chart, the other positions need verifying
 * replaced candian ref with billboard.com Mister sparky (talk) 16:41, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Ref 1 doesn't verify anything listed in the "As a featured artist" section for the US/CAN charts, and I'm not about to go digging through the site to do so. Nor should we expect any other reader to do so
 * fixed. have removed positions that couldnt be verified by billboard or allmusic. Mister sparky (talk) 17:11, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Ref 13 doesn't verify anything listed in that section for the German chart, either
 * wont let me access the german site at the mo, but will fix those when it does. Mister sparky (talk) 17:11, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * all done now. Mister sparky (talk) 20:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Ref 2 doesn't verify anything listed in that section for the UK chart, either
 * fixed. Mister sparky (talk) 17:11, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * "Back Like That" is missing the Irish chart position
 * done. Mister sparky (talk) 23:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * All other chart positions with references have been checked and verified, and references for director have been checked and verified
 * thank you :) Mister sparky (talk) 23:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Out of interest, whyy aren't the promo vid directors wikilinked?
 * bcos i forgot about those, done now tho Mister sparky (talk) 23:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Oppose until referencing fixed and prose is worked on. You may want to look into getting it copy edited. The things I pointed out aren't the only issues Matthewedwards : Chat  02:23, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, so I've stricken what's been resolved. There's still a few things left open though. and I've replied to a couple of points Matthewedwards : Chat  15:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Is the font usually smaller than normal in Discography tables?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems to be standard practice to use smaller text for the chart/country names, catalogue numbers and featured artists. I'm not a fan of small text due to WP:ACCESS issues, and quite a few FLCs from before I was director will show this as well as a few threads at WT:ACCESS. Basically I was told that it's not an ACCESS issue, because users can make the browser display text at a larger size if they need to. A ridiculous "fix" and reasoning in my opinion, but at the time it was a losing battle so I've let it go since. Matthewedwards : Chat  22:52, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see why the font of song titles as featured artist should be reduced. Please put a normal font for the titles.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:29, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * reviewers always contradict each other. in other featured lists and at other reviews ive seen its always been said to make the featured artist bit in smaller text. it makes it so confusing when you get told to do different things by different people. Mister sparky (talk) 23:55, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not a big deal. I don't care that much actually and in reality there isn't that significant difference between normal and this smaller font, but if it's in some guideline then ok, leave it... My support still stands.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 00:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Under the music videos section, would Ms. Melina happen to be Melina Matsoukas? — ξ xplicit  23:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * yes it would, i couldnt remember her full name. thank you! :) 23:51, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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