Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Nightwish discography/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 19:05, 17 December 2009.

Nightwish discography

 * Nominator(s): DreamNight (talk) 20:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it seems to be in accordance with the requirements, with references a complet list of albums and demos. DreamNight (talk) 20:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:17, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Please don't center the tables, since the year column of different tables wouldn't be aligned.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC) Done
 * Comments - country codes in the table headers link only to the name of the country, when they should link to the specific chart where an article exists. "EUR" links to "Europa", which is a dab page - what chart is this actually meant to refer to?  Given the incorrect linking, it's hard to tell whether the EP listed is meant to have got to number 10 on the UK Singles Chart or UK Albums Chart (it could have been eligible for either depending on the length), but whichever it is, it's definitely wrong - Nightwish's UK chart positions are here and there is no record of it having charted at all in the UK.  Here are chart positions specifically for this release, and again no UK..... Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ..........and in fact the reference placed against the EPs section doesn't support the claim of a number 10 position in the UK anyway. Where did this information come from? Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Some more comments - music videos section is completely unsourced, as are the demo tapes section, B-sides section and guest appearances section. There's also some style issues, eg names of countries without capital letters, wikilinking of some dates but not others, and the fact that some of the tables are centre-aligned whereas others are not, but the sourcing is definitely the biggest issue....... Done  -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:52, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - I see that http://www.angelfire.com/trek/hmlyrics/nightwish/bsides.htm has been added as a reference to the B-sides section, however it doesn't appear to be reliable source (it just looks like some dude's home-made page) and it also doesn't actually reference anything in the section, e.g. it doesn't support the fact that "Once Upon a Troubador" is a duet, or that "The Wayfarer" was a Japanese edition bonus track. Also, how come the B-sides section doesn't say which singles the songs were the B-sides for, a fairly crucial piece of information, I'd have thought?  To be honest, the Manual of Style for discographies advises against including lists of B-sides, so you're probably best just removing that section anyway. Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:13, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Some more comments - in the soundtracks section, the names of countries should have capital letters, also "Song featured in more two american production" should have an s on "productions" and "Wrote for the film, later released in "Amaranth" single" should be "Written for the film, later released on "Amaranth" single". Some dates are wikilinked whereas others are not (none of them should be).  Something has gone wrong with the last column of the "EPs" table.  IMDB is not normally considered a reliable source.  What makes metalcrypt.com, lordsofmetal.nl and metalfromfinland.com reliable sources? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:45, 4 December 2009 (UTC) Done
 * Acording to some primary editors, IMDS really isn't a reliable source, and was erased, but there aren't problems with lordsofmetal.com and metalfromfinland.com, they're websites about music news, like mtv.com and roadrunnerrecords.com, both accepted as sources. DreamNight (talk) 18:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately it isn't enough to just say that a site is reliable because it's about music news, you need to be able to prove the reliability of the site per WP:RS. Metalfromfinland.com, for example, just seems to be run by one guy, so WP:SPS would apply.  Can it be proved that this guy is an expert in the field? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * There are two dead links; please check the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose Overlinked (years, countries, etc), questionable sources per WP:RS, too many country charts per MOS:DISCOG, some odd formatting choices (centered tables, small font, etc), a few unused-columns (certifications in the second table, for instance), missing information (release date for Lokikirja), American-style dates despite it being a Finnish band, some POVish stuff in the lead ("worldwide fame") and in the tables (bolding of the number one spots), and just a general slopiness in style. Unfortunately I have next to no time to follow up on this oppose, so if these concerns are ever addressed, please feel free to ignore my oppose. Drewcifer (talk) 20:25, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


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