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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 17:31, 16 January 2010.

Order of battle at the Battle of the Nile

 * Nominator(s): Jackyd101 (talk) 23:47, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

This is part of a project to develop the Battle of the Nile and associated articles. This is a listing of the ships engaged, their commanders and the casualties each one suffered in the battle as best as can be determined by the sources. Please note that the ships are ordered by the position they took in the battle line and thus the tables are not intended to be sortable. Any comments and suggestions welcome. Jackyd101 (talk) 23:47, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks good now and the sorting feature is not that important. Therefore Support.bamse (talk) 21:40, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanksyou very much - Happy New Year.--Jackyd101 (talk) 15:21, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments Looks good Jackyd.  I've made a few prose adjustments, and I've put some comments below:
 * I've tried a new first line: the old one seemed a bit long and contained a lot of info for one sentence, so I've tried breaking it into 2. I think it reads better this way, but I realise you might not agree!
 * Much better, thankyou.--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with the suggestion that it might be an idea to highlight French vessels destroyed in the action. I understand your points above, but I think it'll make the list instantly clearer at first glance, whereas at the moment you really need to read to find the lost ships.  Using the style applied on lists of VC winners might be an idea, and the key at the top could explain that highlighted vessels are the ones lost during the engagement, not later on.  Although all the vessels were lost in different circumstances, the end result is the same (just like the death of VC winners).
 * OK, I'll give it a go and see what it looks like.--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * In the 3rd para of the lead - "The almost total destruction of the French fleet reversed the strategic situation in the Mediterranean, giving the Royal Navy control of the sea which it would not relinquish until 1815." This leaves me wanting more info - what happened in 1815?  Was it Waterloo that lost the RN the Med?  I wonder if a note might help, or if there's a appropriate blue link to an article or article's subsection?
 * Nothing so exciting I'm afraid, 1815 was the year the war ended, thus ending the need for dominance. In fact the Royal Navy remained strong in the Med until 1945, but thats getting off topic somewhat. I'll rephrase the sentence.--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * In the French table, Genereux is decribed as "Escaped with Villeneuve on 2 August". I don't know if there's a formality to describing the senior officer, but I'd have thought it would be more logical to say "Escaped with Guillaume Tell"
 * Either works, I'll rephrase it.--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Otherwise it looks good, nice work. Ranger Steve (talk) 15:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thankyou very much, replies above, improvements to follow.--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've now done everything, including adding the colour coding. I'm still not convinced by that, it seems like a broad brush approach to something that is actually quite complex, but since there have been several requests for it I've added it in. Thanks very much for your comments and interest.--Jackyd101 (talk) 20:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hehe, you might not like me saying that it looks good then! So good in fact that I Support promotion. Ranger Steve (talk) 13:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Intro reads rather long and involved given there's a full article on how the battle went. Perhaps it should concentrate more on where the ships came from to form the fleets? GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:24, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean. Can you elaborate?--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Support Comments. Ruslik_ Zero 20:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) The lead currently says that the French had 13 ships of the line and four frigates. However it says nothing about the number of British ships (although they are named in the table). It should say that there were 14 British ships of line and one sloop.
 * I will add this (although your numbers are not quite correct).--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Four French ships were too badly damaged to join him and were beached by their crews, Villeneuve eventually escaped with just two ships of the line and two frigates. On 3 August the last two French ships in the bay were defeated, one surrendering and the other set on fire by its crew. These two sentences are confusing. They convey a wrong impression that the two ships that were defeated on 3 August were the same ships of line that had escaped on the previous days. I think the first sentences should clearly state that they escaped to Malta, while the second should clarify which ships were defeated.
 * I have clarified this in the text (although the escaping ships did not all go to Malta). Thanks for your interest and comments - do you have any other points to add?--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Changed to support. Ruslik_ Zero 05:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Support The Rambling Man (talk) 17:07, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
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