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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 20:51, 14 July 2010.

Order of battle of the Battle of Trenton

 * Nominator(s):  Magic ♪piano 13:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it's a pretty good example of an order of battle for a land battle, and there are no such orders of battle that are currently featured lists (the only orders of battle that are current featured are for naval battles; there is a pending nomination for an army order of battle). American Revolutionary War battles are often difficult to document in this sort of detail, due to the large number of irregular units the Americans had in any particular theater, and their fluctuating sizes. I hope the list meets with your approval; it's my first FLC. (I specifically requested commentary from the promoter of the naval orders of battle; his comments are on the article talk page.)  Magic ♪piano 13:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments: there are no dab links, the ext links all work and the images all seem to be appropriately licenced. AustralianRupert (talk) 04:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In the Hesse-Kassel and British Army section, use of the word "return" might not be clear for non-military readers (I know that it means a strength report provided from the field, but others might not), perhaps you might consider rewording?
 * In the Continental Army section, in the Notes part of the table relating to the 1st Pennsylvania Rifle Regiment I think "this unit includes" should be "this unit included" (tense);
 * In the References section, I think "The Long island historical society" should be capitalised as "The Long Island Historical Society" as it is a proper noun;
 * Would it be possible to add more categories to the article? Currently it is only in two and a couple more might improve navigation to the article (this is just a suggestion). AustralianRupert (talk) 07:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've made changes to address the above. A brief survey of other orders of battle shows that most of them have no more than one or two categories; I've added one obviously missing category.  Magic ♪piano 14:38, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support: all my concerns have been addressed. AustralianRupert (talk) 15:32, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Everything is cited and complete.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Great work. WereWolf (talk) 03:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice piece of history. Sandman888 (talk) 23:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Total size: normally a sum-row sums all the elements in the column
 * I'm open to suggestions on how to present intermediate values (division and brigade sizes) to make this possible. I am experimenting with alternate table formats in a sandbox.  Magic ♪piano 00:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Why don't you sum 'complement' the same way as casualties? Sandman888 (talk) 19:37, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oversight? Done now.  Magic ♪piano 02:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * what does complement mean?
 * See complement, 3rd definition. Do you think the meaning of the column isn't somewhat obvious from context?  Magic ♪piano 00:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm unsure what it is. The wiktionary offers no help. Sandman888 (talk) 19:37, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've changed "Complement" to "Unit size".  Magic ♪piano 02:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * why do you have references under notes and general references under references? A more logical construction wd be References: Specific & General
 * I've arranged Notes and References this way for every GA (not keeping count; many) and FA (5) I've done; you're the first person to question the arrangement. (See also WP:CITESHORT.)  Magic ♪piano 00:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That nobody else has commented on it is irrelevant. Okay if its official policy I'll leave it at that, but it's still weird to have what is de facto references under a section named "notes". Sandman888 (talk) 19:37, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to put in my two cents, the use of a separate Notes and References section is fine per the examples in WP:LAYOUT. AustralianRupert (talk) 22:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to flog the dead horse (well maybe just a little), but according to my understanding, the things listed in "Notes" are actually endnotes, while the things listed in "References" are references.  Magic ♪piano 02:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "The counts include all officers, including musicians," where musicians the only non-conventional officer?
 * Musicians (drummers, fifers and the like) were counted as overhead (along with the chain of command), but were not officers as such, or normally expected to be combatants.  Magic ♪piano 00:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * you have presented them as officers. otherwise it shd be an 'and'. Sandman888 (talk) 19:37, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You are correct; I have fixed this.  Magic ♪piano 02:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "more American troops probably died of non-combat causes" shd it be "combat-related causes", i.e. being a side-effect of combat?
 * The hardships of the campaign described may have nothing to do with the actual combat (hence "non-combat"). Fischer's point is that Washington's winter campaign was expensive in human cost even without the combat.  Magic ♪piano 00:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "Officers killed or who died of their wounds included Col. Rall" is this Johann Rall? cd you write Col. Johann Rall to disambiguate
 * Done. Thank you for your review.  Magic ♪piano 00:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the delayed response; I am currently traveling, and internet access is somewhat haphazard. I hope my recent edits have addressed your remaining issues.  Magic ♪piano 02:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


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