Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Philadelphia Baseball Wall of Fame/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Geraldk 20:11, 21 October 2009.

Philadelphia Baseball Wall of Fame

 * Nominator(s): KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 19:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

This is one of the few lists related to the Phillies that I haven't brought to FL yet. The main reason is because the old format wouldn't have been able to pass through the metal detector here. However, I completely revamped the format (just today!) and I think it's ready. The only concern that I have is that I have not been able to find another written source on the web that verifies the members of the Centennial Team. I know that they are correct, in my head, but my head is not a reliable source. There are also quite a few pictures out there that show what's on the current plaque at Citizens Bank Park and what was on the old plaque at the Vet. HOWEVER, I could use some help from reviewers on finding a source. I bet that it's in the "New Phillies Encyclopedia", which is a resource that I would love to have at my disposal, but my local library does not have it, and I have never been able to get my hands on it. Online versions that I've found don't show the info because it's not available as a free or limited preview source. Anyway, aside from that issue, this should be ready to go. I'll address everything and anything I can as quickly and efficiently as possible. Thanks. KV5 ( Talk  •  Phils ) 19:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments: I'm not a reviewer, but I noticed that this image doesn't have a description. Suede67 (talk) 22:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's done now. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 00:39, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * Images
 * 1) Move "Phillies Wall of Fame.jpg" below the TOC and have it as as a panorama view or 250px or something. Go over to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phillies_Wall_of_Fame.jpg please and add notes saying what each Plate belongs to with a Wikipedia link of their name.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:43, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Clean up the images description pages.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:43, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Move File:MLB-Ed Delahanty.jpg and File:Phillies-Parade Harry-K crop.jpg to commons.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:43, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Could u extract an image of each plate from File:Phillies Wall of Fame.jpg and add it in the table? If you live in Philadelphia I would suggest taking a picture of each plate alone with better quality...--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:43, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * To all of the above image comments – I do not live in Philadelphia and have not been able to go to a game all year. The individual plaques are not of high enough resolution to be extracted from that image. As far as I am aware, moving images to Commons and cleaning image description pages, as long as they meet the minimum requirements, is not a prerequisite for featured content, and I wouldn't be able to move the images to Commons even if I wanted to. I have no idea how. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 11:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Content
 * 1) Reference the last part of Paragraph 2 of the lead.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:43, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no single reference that states this explicitly. The table confirms this information, and the individual references for each row contain the necessary info. There is no reason to expect that the last sentence should contain nine references to communicate one fact, and that the penultimate should contain a copy of every single reference in the article. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 11:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Why isn't the paragraph in Philadelphia_Baseball_Wall_of_Fame referenced?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:43, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I mentioned this above in my initial comments. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 11:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) The whole see also section can be found in the Phillies Template. Remove the See also section.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:43, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * These were put in before this was even thought of for featured content, so I pretty much ignored it. Done. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 11:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) Could u use another sign than the cross? It's used more to denote the death of a person and not their inclusion. Maybe using a star would be better. At the same time using the cross to denote the death of this player.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 22:39, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) *It's used in most of the other baseball FLs to denote members of the Hall of Fame. The dagger does not always mean death; it's commonly used to denote a footnote, as shown in the linked article. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 22:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) I requested from a flickr user an image from each plate and he promised to do so in three weeks or so.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 22:39, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, that's fine, but I don't want to replace all of the images with plaques. Might be better if I double the images, with the person's photo next to his plaque. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 22:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) **I think I'll create another column with "Plaques" as header displaying for each inductee his plaque. I'll leave the images on the side be.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:16, 24 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Support The list is of featured quality and has a very well written prose with a good table style.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:16, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Support – Thought about this one more than I usually do, and think that the one section in question is uncontroversial enough to be all right as is. Rest of the list looks fine.  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 23:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:40, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:07, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments Support "Once Veterans Stadium closed in 2003, the wall plaques used to recognize the members were moved to Citizens Bank Park; however, the Phillies no longer induct notable Athletics." needs a source or two, one for the move and one for the no-more-Athletics (though that could be in a common source). Staxringold talkcontribs 16:47, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the general ref verifies the second, as no Athletics have been inducted since the close of the Vet. I will try to locate a ref for the move of the plaques. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 16:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If the general ref is going to serve as the reference for that fact I think the sentence needs rewording so it doesn't sound like there's a verified/sourced policy shift. Something like "No Athletics have been inducted since XXXX". Staxringold talkcontribs 16:52, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Since I like the current wording, I've added another ref from the A's Historical Society to supplement the general ref. This should cover both facts. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 16:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm only worried about "arguably". That's pure original research.  If there's a quote you can use then fine. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No idea why the discussion moved, but again I say: there is no reference. If all it takes is removing "arguably", I'll do it, but it invites argument. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 18:16, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This was addressed below under TRM's resolved cap. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 16:50, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Geraldk (talk) 20:12, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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