Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Philadelphia Phillies seasons


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted 19:04, 4 May 2008.

Philadelphia Phillies seasons
I am self-nominating this list for featured status because I believe that it meets all of the criteria necessary to named as such. It has been peer reviewed once and the concerns that were raised have been addressed. I have had some help with the citations and have learned a lot from putting this list together as well. I am willing to address any concerns that are raised. Thanks for your consideration. Killervogel5 (talk) 18:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC) Hi Killervogel5, some comments...
 * Comments from
 * No need for the see also template, you link to the team in the lead.
 * Removed the see-also link. Killervogel5 (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Avoid links in the bold part of the introduction per WP:LEAD.
 * Removed links added by Mitico. Killervogel5 (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You say "completed seasons" but the current season is in the table. Remove the current season.
 * Altered the lead to include season being played currently (I did not add completed seasons originally; it was copied from another article by Mitico). Killervogel5 (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Use en-dash, per WP:DASH, to separate number ranges such as 22–38 (instead of the hyphen which looks like 22-38).
 * Hyphens replaced with en-dashes. Killervogel5 (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Move citations to immediately follow punctuation per WP:CITE.
 * Citations moved. Killervogel5 (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Regular Season in the table can just be Regular season.
 * I changed this, but I believe it to be more aesthetically pleasing the other way (see St. Louis Cardinals seasons). Killervogel5 (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a real shame the colspans are in there because without them you could make the table sortable. Not a dealbreaker but something to consider.
 * I thought long and hard about removing them, because I really wanted this table to be sortable, but in the end, I stuck with the convention of the above St. Louis featured list. Killervogel5 (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Need a key for GB.
 * I don't know what you mean by this. Could you clarify? Killervogel5 (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to explain to non-expert readers what GB means. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, understood. It's keyed in the reference against "regular season," which explains each statistic. Killervogel5 (talk) 21:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "4-1" -again use the en-dash.
 * En-dashes added. Killervogel5 (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * MVP needs explanation. As does CYA, and MOY. And NLCS and NLDS.
 * What would you suggest? I could put it in footnotes, but the list gets very unstreamlined if I write it out in the table itself. Killervogel5 (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Add a key to explain what these mean. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keyed in references. Killervogel5 (talk) 21:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No need for full stops in the table.
 * I don't know what exactly a full stop is; could you explain? Killervogel5 (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant no need for the periods. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Removed. Killervogel5 (talk) 21:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

That's a start for you. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. A lot of these changes were added by someone else and I just didn't remove them yet. It's something I can address later this afternoon. Killervogel5 (talk) 16:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Other than that, unfortunately I'm only able to give a neutral vote. I'm moving tomorrow and won't have internet access until around May 14, so I can't come back to see if these have been resolved or how other people's comments are resolved. Sorry. -- ṃ• α• Ł• ṭ• ʰ• Ə• Щ•   @  05:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Instead of "MOY stands for Manager of the Year", I would just do "MOY = Manager of the Year"
 * Footnotes J, K and L could do with being cited.
 * Done. KV5 (talk) 11:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Support All my comments have been addressed and the list now looks in ship-shape condition. The only improvement I could suggest now is to split the notes into footnotes and citations/references as can be seen at another current FLC, List of Houston Rockets first and second-round draft picks. Good work. Peanut4 (talk) 00:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll get on that tonight or later tomorrow... I have to learn some new syntax to do it. KV5 (talk) 00:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Knocked it out. Done! KV5 (talk) 01:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments from MeegsC
 * According to WP:MOS, the use of color coding without some additional symbol is not advised. ("Using color alone to convey information (color coding) should not be done. This is not accessible to people with color blindness (especially monochromacy), on black-and-white printouts, on older computer displays with fewer colors, on monochrome displays (PDAs, cell phones), and so on.")
 * This color coding is done to mimic the style of other featured lists (i.e., St. Louis Cardinals seasons); I can't really see another way to mark them, since all of the information is already written out. The color is just to draw an eye; it's not the sole means of information conveyance. I also added some extra highlighting by bolding the playoff years and the "Won/Lost" in the postseason field. Killervogel5 (talk) 17:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there a reason you use the bright red and white headers in the table rather than the more subdued maroon and white colors that are on the Phillies template box? The latter are a lot less glaring! MeegsC | Talk 09:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason is because the maroon color no longer reflects the Phillies. Their colors have nothing to do with maroon; they are red and blue. I felt it was more appropriate to stick with that color. In addition, the red used in the table is much closer to the red in the Phillies players template. Killervogel5 (talk) 11:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ref. 3 (unless I'm missing something) is a blog, doesn't appear to be written by the cited author, and I can't really tell what it's sourcing that ##2 and 4 don't cover. Struway2 (talk) 15:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That reference can easily be removed; I was asked to put all three up there by a previous reviewer. KV5 (talk) 15:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Extraneous link removed. KV5 (talk) 15:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Left this bit visible in case the previous reviewer wonders why that ref disappeared.

Support The list simultaneously satisfies both FL criteria 1.a.1 (bringing together existing 'yyyy Philadelphia Phillies season' articles) and 1.a.2 (timeline of Phillies history). The lead provides a decent introduction, both it and the table are well referenced, and there is a free-use image. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 22:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your help, your kind words, and your support; a tip of the cap to you. KV5 (talk) 22:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Support Excellent work :-) Tom pw (talk) (review) 13:22, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks from myself and WP:PHILLIES. KV5 (talk) 13:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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