Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Rolaids Relief Man Award/archive1


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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 23:51, 6 June 2009.

Rolaids Relief Man Award

 * Nominator(s): --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 21:10, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I found this page around less than a week ago, and felt like making it into a featured list. Of course there are some grammar corrections needed to be done, so any grammar issues can just go straight onto the list instead of posting it here. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 21:10, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - the first paragraph has no references— Chris!  c t 22:11, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It is referenced by the general. I'll try to find more that could fit into the first paragraph. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 22:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "Because the first closers were nicknamed "firemen," a reference to "putting out the fire" of another team's rally, the trophy is a gold-plated firefighter's helmet."
 * "Unlike other awards such as the Cy Young Award or the MLB Most Valuable Player (MVP) Award, the Relief Man of the Year is based objectively on statistical performance, rather than subjective opinion."
 * These two in particular need reference; otherwise it constitutes original research.— Chris!  c t 22:16, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It was on the site, but on another page. Done. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 22:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It is also helpful to note those who win multiple times.— Chris!  c t 00:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about...I already did... --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 00:51, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I mean in the list, like Bill Russell NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award— Chris!  c t 01:54, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll do that after the Lakers game. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 02:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, never mind. The reason why there are no notes of multiple winners on the tables of MLB awards is because of the AL and NL. For example, Rollie Fingers had 1 from AL and 3 from NL; some readers will probably look at the table and be confused. i did though denote the BHOFs and active players. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 04:12, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You can still do it within AL and NL. Rollie Fingers is really the only exception since he won from both AL and NL.— Chris!  c t 20:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * So what do I do with Rollie Fingers? Lee Smith also has won the award in both leagues. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 21:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Also, merged the two, and added a lot more stuff. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 22:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments from 
 * Lead
 * 'Because the first closers were nicknamed "firemen," a reference to "putting out the fire" of another team's rally, the trophy is a gold-plated firefighter's helmet.' -- What are 'closers'?
 * Linked closer. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 21:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Unlike other awards such as the Cy Young Award or the MLB Most Valuable Player (MVP) Award, the Relief Man of the Year is based objectively on statistical performance, rather than subjective opinion.' -- Comma before 'such'
 * Done. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 21:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Beginning in the 1987 MLB season, the statistic of a blown save has counted as negative two points.' -- 'in'--> with
 * Done. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 21:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 'In the 2000 MLB season, Rolaids began awarding four points for a "tough save" when a relieve pitcher enters a game with the tying run already on base and gets the save.' --> In the 2000 MLB season, Rolaids began awarding four points for a "tough save", which is when a relieve pitcher enters a game with the tying run already on base and gets the save.
 * Done. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 21:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Todd Worrell have won both the Relief Man of the Year and the MLB Rookie of the Year Award in the 1986 MLB season.' -- 'have' --> has
 * Done. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 21:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Its not clarified as to who were the first winners.
 * What do you mean? Do you want me to add who won the first awards? --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]] call me Keith 21:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yezzir =]-- T ru  c o   18:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sound like Hitler. Done. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]]  01:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Everything else checks out fine, good work =]

-- T ru  c o   19:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Support -- Previous issues resolved; article now meets WP:WIAFL.-- T ru  c o   20:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Comments –
 * "Dan Quisenberry has won the award with five times." What is "with" doing here?
 * I have no idea. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]]  20:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * "Lee Smith has won the award thrice". Why not just "three times", or "on three occasions" if you want to avoid repetition?
 * Both of these two were marked as done above in my comments and weren't completed. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 20:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * KV5, you're used your suggestion, but kept the thrice, since I kind of like the word. Since both of you want it to be changed, Done. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]]  20:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * "Todd Worrell has won both the Relief Man of the Year and the MLB Rookie of the Year Award in the 1986 MLB season." Remove "has".
 * Done. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]]  20:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

 Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 20:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose – One more thing is very close to the source: "when a relief pitcher enters a game with the tying run already on base and gets the save." Swap "reliever" for "relief pitcher" and you've got an exact copy of the citation. Normally I'd never oppose over one issue, but I don't want this to be promoted until this is re-phrased. Please let me know when this is done, because I'm ready to support otherwise.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 23:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I can't think of any other way to change that sentence, while having the same description. If you can, you're probably a genius, and I won't really care if you edit the article. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]]  05:12, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Though I did change the sentence while having the same explanation, I'm still not a genius. :D. Done. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]]  05:18, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Better, but the "Rolaids began awarding four points for a tough save" bit is still identical to the source. Also, I think the paraphrased part has had its meaning changed. The points are awarded when the tying run is on base when the pitcher comes in, not having the tying run on base on general.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 17:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Shit...any suggestions? --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]]  18:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This was the best I could do... Hope it's done... --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]]  18:29, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Support – There was another bit that was identical to the source, but I took care of it myself so as to not hold this up any more. Please ensure that a better paraphrasing job is done in future nominations.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 23:29, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Support I see no further problems. Reywas92 Talk 16:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
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