Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Ronald Reagan filmography/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 19:19, 11 August 2012.

Ronald Reagan filmography

 * Nominator(s): – Lionel (talk) 10:18, 26 May 2012 (UTC), 

This filmography is representative of the best that Wikipedia has to offer. The lead amply covers Reagan's film career, activities in the Air Corps movie unit, his TV career and transition to politics. Much of the prose has been copied from our Featured Article Ronald Reagan itself (nominated by Happyme22). The filmography features 9 embedded files! 5 of the files are videos!!! This will be the only FL filmography with any video whatsoever. Including video is a natural and obvious addition. We hope this filmography will serve as a model demonstrating how to incorporate rich media. – Lionel (talk) 10:18, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The main issue I have is that the tables do not meet MOS:DTT, I also think they can be rearranged slightly so that the film is the first row not the year, this format was used in Jennifer Lopez filmography was promoted recently.
 * working on MOS:DTT... Personally I think the year in the 1st column is easier for the reader to understand. Let's get a 2nd opinion on moving the title first.– Lionel (talk) 23:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll leave this one up, so others can post their opinion. Regardless of whether the move is supported or not, rowscopes will need to be added to the tables which they have not at the moment. NapHit (talk) 18:29, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I reviewed MOS:DTT and fixed "Correct table captions". The rowscopes have been added. – Lionel (talk) 03:47, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've amended the first able as exclamation marks need to be used instead of pipes for the rowscopes, the same will need to be done in the tv table. NapHit (talk) 22:06, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for handling Films--I fixed the TV table. – Lionel (talk) 21:46, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for the cleanup NapHit– Lionel (talk) 04:09, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks NapHit! – Lionel (talk) 23:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ Oops. Must've broke when I was fixing something else. – Lionel (talk) 05:36, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support As table was fixed.  Toa   Nidhiki05  14:46, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support As table was fixed.  Toa   Nidhiki05  14:46, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Great list. Very informative. Ryan Vesey 01:42, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Important point that I want to bring to the community's attention: on my talk page, the nominator states that he copied text from the main Ronald Reagan article for use in this one. What do we think about this? I'm not a fan of copying since there are potential attribution issues, and I don't like the concept of making our best work by taking excessively from other best work. I know some style and formatting elements are similar from list to list, and in the leads of these lists, but I'm concerned that we're pushing things a bit here. I don't want to outright oppose, but want the community's input before a possible promotion. Giants2008 ( Talk ) 16:15, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks good to me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:58, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Copied content is located in the Entertainment career section. This is essentially a "bonus" section. I.e. there is still enough "original" prose for the list to rise to Featured quality without the section. But it would be a shame to trim it. The original Reagan article has already started to drift away from the copied content. And the version here, through the FLC process, has also undergone numerous improvements and corrections of errors that were in the Reagan article. I believe this version is better than the FA. IMO the section enhances the quality from FL to premier FL.– Lionel (talk) 22:40, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * So long as there is attribution, copyright-wise we are fine. I think it's fine for FLC too, because some lists generally use boilerplate introductory text (those lists of centuries and medal tables, for example) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:34, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Text was copied in a single edit with the edit summary "(copied from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ronald_Reagan_filmography/rewrite&oldid=494433585)". The article and exact version are specified. – Lionel (talk) 00:42, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Using copied would be a good idea — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅– Lionel (talk) 07:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Support. Looks good to me. I think the use of spaced en-dashes is possibly a more European English thing, though. Could be wrong about that. GRAPPLE   X  23:20, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Media files review
 * File:Ronald Reagan and General Electric Theater 1954-62.jpg – Where does this come from? I don't see it on the linked page. How do we know that this picture was "prepared by an officer or employee of the United States Government as part of that person's official duties"?
 * ✅ A substantial amount of GE Theatre material was donated to the RR Library. I emailed the library to confirm that this was included. Even though this is probably PD, I've removed it pending confirmation and replaced it with a substitute. I may also just license it Fair Use: it adds enormously to the list.– Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 00:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Ronald Reagan in Knute Rockne-All American 1940.jpg – Same source, different rationale. The linked page asks users to credit with "Courtesy Ronald Reagan Library", but nothing is said about the images being in the public domain.
 * ✅ There is a good chance that this is a non-copyrighted film studio promotional poster. This was routine for the era. However in the instance that this is in fact (c) by Warner Bros, I've replaced it with a substitute pending confirmation. – Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 00:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Having done a lot of free poster-related uploads, I can tell you that WB was pretty good at giving a copyright notice on their poster after about 1933 (MGM, on the other hand...). Now, it may have not been renewed in whatever year renewal was due (28 years after publication) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Other than these two, I found no copyright related problems.  Good raise  18:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
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