Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Sanjay Dutt filmography/archive1


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Sanjay Dutt filmography

 * Nominator(s): ___CAPTAIN MEDUSA talk   16:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because he is one of the biggest actor of Bollywood. Please leave any comments below.___CAPTAIN MEDUSA talk   16:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - I would suggest the lead needs a copy-edit by a native English speaker, as the quality of the English is unfortunately not very good. For example: "Rocky became semi-hit at the box office, and it was ranked number 10 on the list of highest-grossing film of 1981" - "semi-hit" is not an English word and "highest-grossing film" should be "highest-grossing films".  There's little things like this that I could pick up in almost every sentence, so I suggest a thorough copy-editing is needed...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I've submitted the article for copy edit.___CAPTAIN MEDUSA talk   19:08, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Something that can be fixed while you are waiting for the copy edit: there are a lot of instances like "....and Vidhaata (1982). In Vidhaata (1982) he was cast....". You only need to wikilink the film and give the date the first time the film is mentioned.  You don't need to keep using the link and showing the date every time.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:13, 26 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment - I'm going to hold off looking at the lead again until it has been copy edited, but here's some comments on the tables:
 * "Cameo Appearance" should not have a capital A
 * "Sequel of 1999 Hit Movie Vaastav: the reality" should be simply "Sequel to Vaastav: The Reality"
 * In one case "special appearance" is shown after the name in the "role" column, but in other cases it's in the "notes" column - make sure they are all in the same column
 * What even is a "special appearance"?
 * In the films table, the year is first, but in the other two tables the title is first - why are they not the same?
 * Why does one table have "Note(s)" whereas the others have "Notes"?
 * Are those really his only television appearances? Some of them are talk shows - has one of the biggest stars in Indian cinema history only appeared on talk shows five or six times in a career of nearly forty years?
 * HTH -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:04, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , I've fixed all of the issues, raised above. ___CAPTAIN MEDUSA talk   17:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Think that's it from me -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:43, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

I've just finished copy editing the lead of the article. I did not look through your list of suggestions, however; as a copy editor, I am only responsible for improving the prose of the article and not for any issues associated with FLCs. The GOCE Requests page has a backlog, and copy editors generally pick the oldest articles to copy edit first. Best of luck on the FLC. Bobbychan193 (talk) 05:43, 18 August 2019 (UTC)


 * thank you so much for the copyedit. thank you for the comments, I've gone through, and fixed all of them. If you additional comment's let me know.___CAPTAIN MEDUSA  talk   11:55, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:18, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * Fix these links.
 * The lead should be trimmed. Actors with larger career that Dutt have shorter filmographies.
 * There are ref formatting issues. Starting from the the first ref of box office India.
 * I can see instances of unrealiable sources like IMDb, addatoday, Filmibeat and Glamsham, to name a few.
 * Several refs don't even mention their publishers name.
 * The second sentence of the first para should start with "He" instead of Dutt.
 * There are several instances of problematic prose, like the sentence about Rocky's financial success and the sentence about Vidhata.


 * I have fixed the comments listed above and thanks for your feedback.___CAPTAIN MEDUSA talk   21:25, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid there are still a lot of issues on ref formatting, prose quality and the articles overall comprehensiveness. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:53, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The Rocky sentence can still be rephrased.
 * Any other fact worth mentioning about Vidhaata apart from its commercial success? Because it sounds very repetitive.
 * "awardsandshows.com", "Planet-Bollywood", "Falling in Love with Bollywood", "moviefone" are not RS.
 * filmfare.com --> Filmfare
 * Fix the red markings in the references.
 * Publisher missing in the Mera Faisala source.
 * Ditto for a bunch of others.
 * Stick to only National Film Awards and Filmfare in the lead and in table, per other existing FLs.
 * "He also received critical acclaim for his appearance." Great, but there is only one review of the film. Provide a source that supports this claim.
 * There are a lot of box-office figures mentioned in the lead. I'd suggest you to remove most of them unless they are milestones. A success cannot be only measured by the monetary gains.
 * Comment #1 hasn't been fixed.
 * "Sanjay Dutt is an Indian actor and film producer". There is nothing mentioned in the lead of the film's he has produced (and their fate).
 * Some refs have a lot of redundant info in them. Like almost every refs used in the 'Television' section. Also, you should only mention the shows he has hosted.
 * I have fixed the comments listed above, also the check links URL doesn't work anymore. Thanks.___CAPTAIN MEDUSA talk   11:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Yashthepunisher (talk) 11:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The lead is too short now. Also, you haven't removed the IIFA's and the Screen awards from the article.
 * "Cinestaan" is not a RS.
 * Three receives cannot be enough to support the 'critical acclaim' and 'turning point' claim. Mention a source that specifically talks about the aforementioned.
 * Why his role in Ra.One in comma's?
 * those have been fixed as well.___CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk   12:33, 4 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Remove the critics review from the lead. They don't belong here.
 * Remove Sanju from the lead. It would be significant to mention, Dutt played himself, not otherwise.
 * Mention the status of his unreleased films in the table.
 * Not done. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:42, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * now done.___<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk   14:10, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * He was only mentioned as 'Khalnayak' in Ra.One.
 * done. I have removed the Sanju from the lead, quotes, and other stuff as well.___<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk   13:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:12, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Comments
 * Just one thing so far. I was doing a spot-check of the refs and there are quite a few "deprecated parameter"/red-linked warnings. Per Help:CS1 errors all the deadurl= parameters need to be changed to url-status= with one of the following values as appropriate: dead, live, unfit, usurped. Shearonink (talk) 18:28, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * There are 97 different instances of dead-url, all of those will have to be converted into url-status= with the appropriate values. Shearonink (talk) 22:03, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * fixed. ___<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk   09:59, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


 * In the lead..."Widespread critical acclaim" is only supported by one ref and that ref talks only about a particular screening at the 2007 Cannes Tous Les Cinemas du Monde....that is not really "widespread critical acclaim" plus the wording itself is verging into WP:PUFFERY territory. You need 1)multiple reviews or articles about critics' thoughts about the movie & 2)the sentence should be changed to WP:NPOV wording, something like "the film was well-received by critics" or "received favorable reviews from critics", etc. Shearonink (talk) 14:52, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * fixed.___<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk   16:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)a
 * The BWW/Broadway World Ref (present ref# 18) ... all it does is say "some of the biggest and critically acclaimed Bollywood blockbusters since the turn of the millenium: 'Lage Raho Munna Bhai', ..." but it does not list out "critically acclaimed" with reviews to back up that assertion. Besides, the review is just a PR/sales listing for a workshop and is not a researched article from a reliable source with editorial oversight. In my opinion it should be removed. Shearonink (talk) 18:06, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * done___<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk  (We are the champions, my friends)  18:14, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for adding additional refs for "widespread critical acclaim". I still have a problem with the adjective & wording in this sentence: The film received widespread critical acclaim. I think it might be enough to say "The film received critical acclaim." or something similar, using "widespread" plus "acclaim" seems slightly unnecessary. Maybe the Bob Dylan example at WP:PUFFERY explains it better than I am doing... Shearonink (talk) 05:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * done.___<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk  (We are the champions, my friends)  11:06, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I noticed that the 2003 box-office results in terms of money for Munna Bhai M.B.B.S. are laid out only in rupees. Since En.Wikipedia has a worldwide audience I think it would be appropriate to also have a conversion from rupees to dollars (like kms to miles, miles to kms, etc.), you can use the coding at Template:INRConvert which goes like
 * inr, so, for instance, the Indian box-office of ₹230 million in 2003 would be
 * inr 230000000 which will give you the following: inr 230000000.
 * thanks, done.___<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk  (We are the champions, my friends)  11:06, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


 * In general I think this List is looking rather good but I will be doing a spot-check of your references. That will probably take me a little while, I'll post back here when I am done. Shearonink (talk) 05:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * any comments.___<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk  (We are the champions, my friends)  12:35, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Life has been interfering with my Wikipedia-ing this week and into the start of next. I'll try to finish up sometime next week if I can. Sorry for the delay. Shearonink (talk) 20:46, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I just did a spot-check of some references and couldn't find any problems. My last thing is the last sentence in the lead section. Presently it is
 * The film received critical acclaim. Dutt won several awards, including Global Indian Film Awards for Best Actor (Critics).
 * which seems slightly clunky. I think it just needs a little bit of tweaking to something like (not word for word, it's just that "the film..." sentence is so very short):
 * The film received critical acclaim with Dutt winning several awards for his role, including Global Indian Film Awards for Best Actor (Critics).
 * Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 21:57, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have tweaked the sentence. ___<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk  (We are the champions, my friends)  11:05, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Question – Have you looked at the reliability and formatting of the sources, in addition to doing spot-checks? Please let us know if that is the case. If so, we can consider this the article's source review and not have to do a separate one.  Giants2008  ( Talk ) 15:41, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I did a spot-check of various sources I picked out randomly (maybe 15 or 20 total?). I didn't find any issues at all but then again I didn't do a massive/comprehensive review of every ref...if a complete ref-check is necessary for this FLC I suppose we could split the refs up and each interested editor could check a specific section (like, Refs 1-20 or 1-30 or whatever). I do not have the time to check all 186 references by myself... Shearonink (talk) 17:02, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Notifying ___<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk  (We are the champions, my friends)  11:45, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I'll remember to review those items if the FLC gets to that point and no one else has done it. Thanks for doing spot-checking, which is very valuable in its own right. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 21:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support'. §§<i style="color:#E0115F">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Support Comments from Aoba47
Once my comments are addressed, I will be more than happy to support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 22:34, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The word "directed" is not needed in this part "in his father Sunil Dutt's directed romantic action film Rocky (1981)".
 * It should be "a series" in this part "After appearing in series of box office flops" instead of just "series".
 * I would use "performance" instead of "appearance" in this part "He also received critical acclaim for his appearance." unless the critics are literally praising his physical appearance in this film.
 * I would avoid the repetition of "the film" in this part "The film was successful at the box office, the film grossed ₹230 million". It can be easily corrected by changing the latter half of the sentence to ", grossing ₹230 million".
 * For this part "The film received critical acclaim from critics", the "from critics" part is not necessary as that is already covered in "critical acclaim".
 * This part "Dutt has frequently collaborated with film director's including Rajkumar Hirani, Vidhu Vinod Chopra, and Mahesh Bhatt." sounds odd to me as it is not particularly odd for actors to collaborate with film directors. I would change it to something "Dutt has frequently collaborated with directors Rajkumar Hirani, Vidhu Vinod Chopra, and Mahesh Bhatt." to be more specific.
 * For this part "alongside of Salman Khan", it should just be "alongside" not "alongside of".
 * I would use "Child actor" instead of "Child artist".
 * I have fixed all of the comments. Thanks.___<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk  (We are the champions, my friends)  16:32, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for addressing everything. I support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 16:51, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Source review – As promised, I'll have a look at the sourcing. Spot-checks were done already, source reliability looks okay, and the link-checker tool shows no problems. The formatting has a few issues, however:


 * The formatting issues all look to have been resolved. Nice job with the fixes. The source review is a pass. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:10, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah good job . Thanks for checking the sourcing . Shearonink (talk) 02:53, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Giants2008 ( Talk ) 20:02, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
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