Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Santana discography/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 19:33, 9 January 2011.

Santana discography

 * Nominator(s): ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 15:23, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this discography for the second time, after I took an intensive clean-up. It will be the first discography that could be a FL by a mexian artist and the first in the portal. ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 15:23, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose I'm sorry, but there are still many basic issues with this article. If they are addressed I am very willing to reconsider, I'm fair don't worry.


 * Numbers in the lead are supposed to be spelled out, you have them in numerical form.
 * Think it's ok now.
 * Your confusing RIAA shipments with sales
 * Is it k now?
 * Only countries that are listed in the columns are supposed to be introduced or mentioned in the body or certifications. It adds unnecessary bulk. We know Supernatural was very successful.
 * done
 * Allot of the certifications are wrong. I don't see any 4x Platinum in France.
 * It's because I was confused with the french site. I firstly thought I should sum all certs. Done.
 * The lead could use better writing.
 * Hope its k now.
 * Allot of the sources are missing "works" and/or "publishers", allot of them.
 * I only found one, the santana official site, with not publisher. What do you exactly mean? I replaced "work" with "publisher", think you meant this.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 17:55, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * --AlastorMoody (talk) 16:01, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments but giving an oppose was a little bit too strict ^^ .-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 17:55, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose : This is Santana's (the band) discography, not Carlos Santana's discography.. Create a separate article for the Carlos Santana discography page. --TIAYN (talk) 16:27, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * User:Brianboulton requested a merge proposal, which took place here. So your oppose is false. And I also marked Santanas (a band with one definite member (Carlos Santana) and members see here) album and Carlos Santana (just a few) albums. I think you didn't watch more intensive.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 17:04, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I do agree with him to an extent, as for the the Merge proposal there doesn't seem to be much of a discussion and a lack of consensus regarding the subject. Afro  ( Nice Beaver ) 02:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't split off this disco into two. The Carlos Santana disco will be very, very short and not really necessery. And as I said, Carlos Santana's albums are actually the same as Santana's album, because only Carlos Santana was a constitutive member in the band and the band's members were non-session musicians. But albums marked with Carlos Santana are albums within the band, but other musicians (not session members, sorry made a mistake above) like John McLaughlin. You can compare this with Nine Inch Nails, a band with varying members again and again, except Trent Reznor certainly. And if I didn't convinced you, then I have to split this list into two lists, whereby one is a joke-list and huge non-sense and the other a good one. Thank you.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 10:30, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think the article qualifies for FL because it includes uneeded information. Second, Carlos Santana has released ten music records, and has probably released some singles for his unsuccessful albums. There seems to be no reason not to create another article! There are ten items, her + some possible singles which are missing. A seperate article would meet the unofficial requirement for a list. --TIAYN (talk) 22:37, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Neither singles nor albums are missing here. A separation is useless per above and below.


 * Carlos Santana released no singles himself, but only 7 studio and 3 live albums.
 * Neither of them, except Love Devotino Surrender, received certs.
 * The band is full of session members, are not constant members
 * Most of the certs and sales publisher don't find any differences between him and the band, so as the books mentioned in the merge proposal.
 * As a solo-artist, half of the albums he collaborated with other musicians:
 * Love Devotion Surrender': With John McLaughlin
 * Illuminations': with Alice Coltrane
 * Oneness: alone (as Devadip Carlos Santana)
 * ''Swing of Delight: alon (as " )
 * Havanna Moon: alone
 * Blues for Salvador: alone
 * Santana Brothers: with his nephew and brother
 * Carlos Santana & Buddy Miles: with Buddy Miles
 * Carlos Santana Live: alone
 * Carlos Santana and Wayne Shorter: with Wayne Shorter

So thats 5/5; because he didn't released singles as a solo-artist and only with the band, the split lost, so no need to separate it.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 11:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok an alternative: I will split this disco into two discos off. If this will pass the FLC, I will propose a merger. Agreed?-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 13:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * According to webpage Allmusic Carlos Santana has released three compilation albums and two video albums under his name, this means he has released a total of 13 records + 2 video albums = 15 releases. Even if he collaborates with other artists it doesn't make it less his! What you are saying about Santana might be true, but it is another entity than Carlos Santana's solo work. --TIAYN (talk) 15:27, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - It's a bit beyond my expertise to vote on whether this should be a Featured List, but I can point out that the OPPOSE vote from TIAYN above is a procedural error and therefore illegitimate. As others have discussed, separate discogs for Santana vs. Carlos Santana are not viable and it makes logical sense to have one comprehensive discog. Since that already exists as the item in the present discussion, TIAYN should vote on whether or not the existing article qualifies as an FL, which should be a decision based on article quality. A split proposal is a different process. -- D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 15:14, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Replaced link. I don't know if this should be split from each other, too.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 18:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC) This took place here and forgot to change. I hope it is k so.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 18:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I would think the stars need to be sourced in the Singles table. Also the language in the language parameters should have capital letters. Afro  ( Talk ) 06:14, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * done-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 10:21, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * by looking at this Template:Note, I will do that in several minutes. Regards.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 18:25, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * done-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 18:45, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * To clarify my position regarding the list, I shall remain neutral until the present issues presented by other editors are resolved. Afro  ( Talk ) 15:05, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Has AlastorMoody been asked to revisit? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:27, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I recently looked at his contribs; his last edit was 12 December... I don't think he will come today, but maybe in a few weeks.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 08:49, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it is useless to wait one or more weeks until he will address his comments. Therefore I decided to wait till tomorrow, 20.15 P.M. If I see that he didn't address, then I have to withdraw this nomination. Yes, it is sad, but I have no alternative.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 20:54, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * There are still comments which haven't been addressed from TIAYN regarding the split of this page, its not just AlistorMoody. Afro  ( Talk ) 18:18, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


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