Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Seinfeld (season 2)/archive3


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 19:13, 21 September 2009.

Seinfeld (season 2)

 * Nominator(s): -- Music 26/  11  16:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it meets the Featured List criteria. Thanks.-- Music 26/  11  16:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * "Julia Louis-Dreyfus stated..." - who's Julia Louis-Dreyfus?
 * "According to Alexander..." - who's Alexander?
 * "Richards was concerned..." - who's Richards?
 * The "cast" section should be placed before the "The Bet" section to answer the aforementioned questions.
 * Moved the cast section above the production section.-- Music 26/  11  15:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Sony Pictures → Sony Pictures Digital
 * Done.-- Music 26/  11  15:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Why not link TBS?
 * Done.-- Music 26/  11  15:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * "Retrieved August 6, 2009" → "Retrieved on August 6, 2009"
 * This is a quirk of the cite templates that for some reason has been present for some weeks now. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I thought these refs were done manually.-- Cheetah  (talk)  04:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Sony Pictures Home Entertainment" OR "Sony Pictures Home Entertainment" - Pick one!
 * Linked the first mention.-- Music 26/  11  15:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * What's the page number of the The Dallas Morning News article?
 * Unavailable.-- Music 26/  11  15:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There should either be a link or a page number.-- Cheetah  (talk)  03:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Doing... Dabomb87 (talk) 17:41, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:16, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What's the page number of the Sacramento Bee's article?
 * Unavailable.-- Music 26/  11  15:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Page number added. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:41, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There should either be a link or a page number.-- Cheetah  (talk)  03:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Why mention the city and state of some newspapers?
 * I sometimes do that, does it mattter?.-- Music 26/  11  15:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks picky. It's also not important enough to be mentioned.-- Cheetah  (talk)  03:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you strongly prefer to have the city, state info, then add it to all newspapers.-- Cheetah  (talk)  19:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Removed.-- Music 26/  11  16:50, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

-- Cheetah  (talk)  02:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Why are Amazon and EzyDVD reliable? Just because they're the only sites that have the info?
 * It seems like a lame excuse, but there just aren't that much more reliable refs that mention the DVD region code of a DVD (boxset) other than Region 1 (as I mentioned in the second FLC, this discussion also regards this).-- Music 26/  11  15:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The info should be removed until found in reliable sources.-- Cheetah  (talk)  03:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.-- Music 26/  11  16:50, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Support I can see that it's the 3rd nomination; not much wrong with this list.-- Cheetah  (talk)  03:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Since the Season list has been significantly expanded the lead needs one more paragraph. Maybe one about the general plot of the season...--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, there usually isn't a main storyline, each episode deals with a different situation. There's really not much I can think of that should be put in the lead.-- Music 26/  11  09:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments Support WOW this FLC has been quiet. One comment, could the DVD section have some more info on the sales? It mentions the pre-sales, but that's it. Staxringold talkcontribs 04:18, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, really quiet, but hey. I understand your request for DVD sales info, but I just don't know where to look for that sort of information. Diaa asked for it during the previous FLC, so I browsed around in Google News, but I couldn't find anything. I've also looked at some other FLs, but none of them had sales information.-- Music 26/  11  08:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair nuff. Though, a quick Google found this. Whatever. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Oppose Support
 * 1) Please add the information about 4 million DVDs from the source by Staxringold. Staxringold if you have more sources please put them forward. This is about comprehensiveness.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) The lead is awful not nice and by no some means not Feature quality. Please expand it. At least three 6 line paragraphs should be made for the lead. You can do this by summarizing each section with a paragraph. Do this and you would have a 4-6 paragraph lead. The lead as it currently stand doesn't qualify the list for featured status.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 19:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no more sources, that was just a quick Google. As for the lead, "awful" is pretty harsh. 30 Rock seasons 1 and 2 have similar leads and are featured, and I'm working off that template for 30 Rock season 3. If you want a different template, The Simpsons (season 8) also has a similar lead, just with a mention of the awards won for that season (worth including if you want). Staxringold talkcontribs 20:23, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to be over criticizing. I used to support this list in the previous nomination but now the lead is just too short to be called a FQ lead. It doesn't really summarize or give an overview of the subject. I'm just saying that a list as comprehensive and big as that needs a longer lead with info from each section.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * How about now?-- Music 26/  11  22:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks much better now. Thanks for the expansion.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 04:45, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No problemo!-- Music 26/  11  10:43, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Support After copy-editing the episode summaries a month ago, and after the nominator's improvements in response to reviewers' comments at this FLC, I believe this list meets the FL criteria. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:11, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:11, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
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