Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Tori Amos discography/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 16:01, 11 September 2008.

Tori Amos discography
Self-nom I have been working on this discography for about 2 months and have greatly improved the overall quality. At this point, I'm looking for feedback on what is left to do to achieve FL status. Thanks! --Pisceandreams (talk) 03:36, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * What makes the following sources reliable?
 * http://www.everyhit.com/ (Discussion on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard leaned towards it not being reliable).
 * I'm unclear what makes everyhit.com unreliable? It's not user-based or influenced, it's a chart position database. Also, several featured list discographies include this source. --Pisceandreams (talk) 03:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note the discussion here Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 11. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Current ref 20 (Tori Amos to release new album...) is lacking a publisher. Also, what makes this a reliable source?
 * - Replaced Starpulse.com source w/ one from Billboard.--Pisceandreams (talk) 03:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Otherwise sources look okay. Links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * Six paras in the lead is too much - see WP:LEAD. --Pisceandreams (talk) 13:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't start with "This is a discography for American pianist and singer-songwriter Tori Amos." - featured articles don't start with "This is an article about..." so nor should featured lists. --Pisceandreams (talk) 19:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Image caption in infobox is fragment so remove the full stop. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 19:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "A few years later" - not encyclopedic. - replaced with "From 1984-1989" --Pisceandreams (talk) 19:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Amos was the singer of punk-rock band " - just mysteriously "was the singer"... ? - replaced with "Amos fronted the punk-rock band..." --Pisceandreams (talk) 19:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Amos began writing and recording material that would serve as the debut of her solo career." - citation req as this seems very significant. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 19:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comma after Stanley (in my opinion) is required. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 19:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Release of the EP is glossed over quickly - what was it called, how did it do? --Pisceandreams (talk) 13:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I usually don't see spaces between # and number for chart placements, so #14 instead of # 14. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 02:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "reaching as high as only # 54" - redundant words - "as high as". - replaced with "reaching only #54..." --Pisceandreams (talk) 02:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Order citations numerically unless there's a really good reason not to do so.
 * "a covers album" - is there a decent link for cover available? ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 13:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * "After working with Atlantic for the first 15 years of her career, Amos fulfilled her contract with the release of Strange Little Girls and decided to seek another label due to professional conflicts she had with Atlantic." - awkward reading. Rewording could remove the need to mention Atlantic twice.  - replaced with "After working with Atlantic for the first 15 years of her career, Amos decided to seek another label upon fulfilling her contract with them due to professional conflicts." --Pisceandreams (talk) 14:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "With the changing landscape of the music industry" - is this a quote or is it your opinion? --Pisceandreams (talk) 14:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Infobox says 3 compilation albums, lead says one. --Pisceandreams (talk) 02:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "A highly active artist" - peacock, just stick to the facts. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 02:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Additional information column for studio albums is incomplete on my Safari browser. --Pisceandreams (talk) 15:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Left align album information. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 15:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (To Be Released) - make this uncapitalised at least, and perhaps a footnote to the table. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 15:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Some odd number of spaces (maybe a tab?) between the colon and the certification. Why not just a space? ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 14:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that "releases that did not chart" were actually "release"d in each region you claim? This includes the singles.  --Pisceandreams (talk) 12:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * "comprised of non-LP tracks" - "comprising non-LP tracks". ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 12:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Notes on singles table seem a little small. No need. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 15:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "promotional only" - hyphenated probably. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 15:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * " garnered a reputation for releasing an extensive catalogue of CD singles in conjunction with her albums. " - this reputation needs citation, otherwise it's just "she released CD singles... "etc. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 13:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * B or b-side? And where are the references for all this hidden information?
 * Directors are not cited. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 02:57, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nor are soundtracks. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 04:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ref 5, 10, 37 etc which are specific references need to be replaced with specific references.
 * The Rambling Man (talk) 16:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

-- S R X  19:08, 7 September 2008 (UTC) -- S R X  21:08, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * Tori Amos is an American pianist and singer-songwriter whose musical career began in 1980, at the age of seventeen, when she and her brother co-wrote the song "Baltimore". - period should be in between the parenthesis, (i.e "Baltimore.") ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 21:02, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The song was selected as the winning song in a contest for the Baltimore Orioles and was recorded and pressed locally as a 7" single. - what is a 7" Single? Added a wikilink --Pisceandreams (talk) 21:02, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * From the Choirgirl Hotel, Amos' first album written and recorded with a band and her first album recorded at her home studio, Martian Engineering, debuted in May 1998 at #5 on the Billboard 200 and at #6 on the UK Top 40.[16][9] - with what band? a comma is needed after "band." What does "her home studio" mean? Changed to "From the Choirgirl Hotel, Amos' first album written and recorded with band mates Matt Chamberlain on drums, Jon Evans on bass and Steve Caton on guitar, and her first album recorded at her in-home recording studio, Martian Engineering, debuted in May 1998 at #5 on the Billboard 200 and at #6 on the UK Top 40." with wikilink to "recording studio". --Pisceandreams (talk) 13:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The second paragraph of the lead really needs to be cut down or split into another paragraph as it is too long. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 12:40, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The following year, To Venus and Back, a double album of original studio and live material, debuted in September 1999 at #12 in the US and at #22 in the UK.[17][9 - "of original studio?" Removed "original" --> "a double album of studio and live material..." --Pisceandreams (talk) 12:40, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Is the additional information in the table needed? It is unsourced and unverified and is a bit trivial. Removed said column from the studio album, compilation album, live album and EP tables. --Pisceandreams (talk) 20:58, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The tables should follow the format of the Lostprophets discography, not an FL but FL's follow this format. In this way the noted are incorporated into a row in the table, and the size of the table is decreased. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 12:57, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What are B-Sides? Added a wikilink --Pisceandreams (talk) 12:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In the music videos section, in the 1996 & 2003 row, unknown needs to be capitalized. ✅ --Pisceandreams (talk) 12:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Further Comments
 * A bit better, but because the B-sides are in a collapsible table, they should not be in a section format since you can't access it from the ToC, I would recommend instead that you just place the section headers in a bold format. ✅ - Good point and I agree with you completely on that. The issue of the inaccessibility from the ToC never occurred to me. --Pisceandreams (talk) 12:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The dashes in the videos section need a note of explanation. - I opted to remove them so as to comply with other tables in the article --Pisceandreams (talk) 12:22, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The additional information in the videos, music videos, and soundtracks should also be removed because most of it is unsourced and irrelevant to the "discography" itself. ✅ - Embedded a few pertinent items as footnotes in respective table. --Pisceandreams (talk) 13:12, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments Oppose This list is simply incorrect and not ready to be a FL. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:DASH 1984-89
 * "Shortly thereafter" sounds slightly archaic
 * Visit MOS:DISCOG for what to put in the Certifications column
 * Why is the album column not left-aligned? It makes the bullet points look funky
 * I'm not convinced More Pink: The B-Sides is a legitimate release. It appears to be just an extra disc added to a re-release of an already released album
 * Live at Montreux 1991/1992 has not been released, therefore is not part of the discography yet.
 * iTunes is not a label
 * Unnecessary whitespace in the singles table's header. Condense "US Adult Top 40" to "US Adult"
 * B-sides aren't usually allowed in discographies, which lists releases, not tracklistings. Why are B-sides included but album tracklistings not?
 * Studio albums, live albums, compilations, EPs and Official bootlegs should be level 3 (===) sections of a Level 2 "Full length releases"
 * Soundtracks, tributes, other contributions should all be level three subsections of a Level 2 section
 * According to The Lead and How to Swing It she only contributed to "I Wanna Get Back With You"
 * Without You I'm Nothing is a dablink
 * According to Last Days of the Century, she only contributed to "Red Toupee" and "Last Day Of The Century"


 * With regards to your comment, "At this point, I'm looking for feedback on what is left to do to achieve FL status", WP:FLC shouldn't be used as a peer review to see what else is necessary. That's what WP:PR is for. FLC is to nominate lists that are ready to be promoted and need only minor tweaking. Regards, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.