Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Vice-Chancellor of Banaras Hindu University/archive1


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Vice-Chancellor of Banaras Hindu University

 * Nominator(s): User4edits (talk) 09:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Nominated for GA in the past, returned for FL, improved on the article (generally and as per GA review), and nominating for FL now. Thanks,User4edits (talk) 09:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Comments by RunningTiger123

 * Images should have alt text (see MOS:ALT)
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Alt text still needed in infobox. RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Done User4edits (talk) 03:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * A few places use "vice chancellor" instead of "vice-chancellor" – either one is fine, but it should be used consistently
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Three images in the infobox is probably too many – suggest removing the flag
 * as per Template:Infobox official post, see POTUS, PMoUK, PMoI. Thanks, User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Infoboxes don't have to use every possible parameter. Also, the examples provided have flags and seals that (a) differ significantly and (b) have their own articles. The flag and seal here are similar and aren't particularly notable, so they provide decoration more than anything. That's why I think one should be removed. RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Removed seal of Univ. Left flag as flag pertains more to the Office. User4edits (talk) 03:36, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Dates should not start with a zero, i.e., "7 January 2022" instead of "07 January 2022" (MOS:DATE)
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * "derives his powers" → "derives their powers" to match pronoun usage elsewhere
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * "which shortlists few candidates" – "few" is redundant for a shortlist
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * "in the chronological order" → "in chronological order"
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Remove column headers from the middle of the table (MOS:COLHEAD)
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * If ref. 16 is the citation supporting all dates, it needs to be referenced after the most recent president took office.
 * Seems this was accidentally overlooked – still needs to be addressed. (Ref. 56 covers all presidents and could be used in place of the now-outdated ref. 16.) RunningTiger123 (talk) 05:00, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. User4edits (talk) 11:35, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * What is the source for who appointed the vice-chancellors?
 * source added User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * My mistake, I wasn't clear – what is the source that these individuals were in office at the time to make the appointments? (If there isn't a source naming the presidents/governors-general who appointed the vice-chancellors, it may not be particularly relevant information.) RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It is based on corresponding Office held in the duration of the appointment, can be removed (by adding the Governor General information in the text). User4edits (talk) 03:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Unless the appointments have been made for overt partisan reasons, I think removing that column is probably best. RunningTiger123 (talk) 05:00, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No the appointments are made by the President of India as an institution and not much as personal choice. Done. User4edits (talk) 11:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * What is the source for the various remarks? (some have references but not all)
 * Added User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Unsourced remarks still present for Sunder Lal, Govind Malaviya, Rao, and Lalji Singh. RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Done User4edits (talk) 03:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * For Sunder Lal: "Vice-chancellor" should not be capitalized
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge the two cells with the Lord Chelmsford for consistent formatting with other cells
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * For Madan Mohan Malaviya: Remark should not end in a period (not a complete sentence)
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * For Radhakrishnan: "Served as university's Vice-Chancellor for more than 8 years." – redundant to table, why is this relevant? (Also, "Vice-Chancellor" should not be capitalized, and statement should not end in period)
 * Two long stints, of Madan Mohan Malviya and Radhakrishnan have been highlighted in remarks. Rest, Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * For Govind Malaviya, Shrimali, Rao, Lalji Singh: "Alumni" → "Alumnus" (singular)
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * For Dhar, Lalji Singh, Tripathi: Remarks should not end in a period
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * For Jain: "from 3 to 6 after 5 years" → "from third to sixth after five years"
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Also, I'm confused – is the implication that the drop was Jain's fault? He hasn't been there for five years.
 * The ranking has been All-India third for five years, in Jain's term it dropped to sixth. The same has been mentioned for DP Singh as well when it ranked 1. User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it would be clearer to say the year it dropped from third to sixth. Or maybe something like "NIRF ranking of the university dropped to sixth after five years in third". RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Regarding the year, it is understood that it would pertain to the tenure (as in DP Singh). I think NIRF ranking of the university dropped to sixth after five years in third would appear more confusing to Indian english readers. User4edits (talk) 03:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * No need to capitalize "Seat", "Office", or "Vice-Chancellor" in the image captions under Timeline
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * "Madan Mohan Malviya resigns" → "Madan Mohan Malviya resigned"
 * Done User4edits (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I'll provide a source review shortly. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Source review:


 * A lot of links are dead. Either replace them or check a digital archive like the Wayback Machine. WP:IABOT may help with this.
 * Done User4edits (talk) 13:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Refs. 3 and 4 are insufficient to prove an official abbreviation – Twitter handles are usually abbreviated
 * Done in the lead with two reliable sources. Subsequently, removed cit. from the infobox. User4edits (talk) 13:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Refs. 11, 32, 36, 42, 46, 47: Use  (and note language if not already done)
 * Done User4edits (talk) 13:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Refs. 18, 21: The Times of India has reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable (WP:TOI). I would suggest using better sources.
 * I am aware of WP:TOI and had used it only as plain non-conflicting sources. I have removed all except one, which seems hard to replace as TOI is the only major publication doing depth reporting from the city concerned. User4edits (talk) 13:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Ref. 22: Is a stamp archive the best source for this?
 * Two RS added. User4edits (talk) 13:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Ref. 23 links to another Wikipedia article, violating WP:CIRC
 * Formatted, another source added. User4edits (talk) 13:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Ref. 24: Xlibris appears to be a vanity press, which might violate WP:SPS. I would suggest looking for a better source.
 * Another source added. Thanks, User4edits (talk) 13:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For your attention, please. User4edits (talk) 16:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

 * Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting + caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting + instead.
 * Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g.  becomes  . If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
 * Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g.  becomes  . If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
 * Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. -- Pres N  18:48, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * First, Done
 * For the rest, I am not very technically aware, nor can I comprehend MOS:DTAB exactly, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks,
 * User4edits (talk) 12:10, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * please see the reply, thankyou, User4edits (talk) 12:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Fixed it for you. -- Pres N  17:47, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:51, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Image review from Z1720

 * File:Sudhir K Jain Potrait.png: needs to be reviewed to ensure that it complies with copyright laws concerning publications from India. See its description page on meta for more information.
 * File:Sivaswami Aiyar.jpg: needs a United States public domain tag. See its page description for more details
 * File:Mahamana Madan Mohan Malaviya Portrait.jpg needs a United States public domain tag. Also, what makes the website a reliable source to know that this image is this person?
 * File:Photograph of Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan presented to First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy in 1962.jpg: the link to the source does not lead to the image. Can this be rectified?


 * File:Amarnath Jha VC-BHU.jpg: the link and the data on its description page do not indicate which page number the image is from in the source. This should be included.
 * File:Narendra Deva 1971 stamp of India.jpg: Needs to be reviewed to ensure that the India pd tag is valid.
 * File:CPRamaswami Aiyar 1939.jpg: url to verify the source is broken.
 * File:Veni Shankar Jha VC-BHU.jpg: source url should include a page number
 * File:N.H. BHagwati VC-BHU.jpg: source url should include a page number
 * File:Triguna Sen 2010 stamp of India.jpg: Needs to be reviewed to ensure that the India pd tag is valid.
 * File:Professor Amar Chand Joshi.jpg: Needs a pd US tag and to be reviewed to ensure the India pd tag is valid.
 * File:Kl shrimali.jpg: Needs a pd US tag and to be reviewed to ensure the India pd tag is valid.
 * File:Moti Lal Dhar.jpg: Needs a pd US tag and to be reviewed to ensure the India pd tag is valid.
 * File:Professor Hari Narain.jpg: Needs to be reviewed.
 * File:Iqbal Narain.png: What is the source for this image? Where was it published?
 * File:Raghunath Prasad RP Rastogi.jpg: Needs a pd US tag and to be reviewed to ensure the India pd tag is valid.
 * File:Hari Gautam VC-BHU.jpg: Needs to be reviewed.
 * File:Prof. Y.C. Simhadri VC-BHU.png: Needs to be reviewed.
 * File:Patcha Ramachandra Rao.jpg: Summary needs more information
 * File:Dr. Panjab Singh.jpg: Needs to be reviewed
 * File:Prof. D.P. Singh Director NAAC Vice Chancellor Banaras Hindu University.jpg: Needs to be reviewed.
 * File:Girish Chandra Tripathi.jpg: Needs to be reviewed.
 * File:Rakesh Bhatnagar 27th Vice-Chancellor of Banaras Hindu University.png: The listed source is another Wikipedia page, which is not a valid source. This needs to be fixed.
 * File:Sudhir K Jain Potrait.png: Needs to be reviewed.

Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2024 (UTC)


 * File:Sudhir K Jain Potrait.png: needs to be reviewed to ensure that it complies with copyright laws concerning publications from India. See its description page on meta for more information.
 * Available at provided url: https://static.pib.gov.in/WriteReadData/Gallery/PhotoGallery/2021/Nov/H20211108103573.JPG, Press Information Bureau & President's Secretariat Government of India are covered under given license there.
 * File:Sivaswami Aiyar.jpg: needs a United States public domain tag. See its page description for more details
 * PD-US added.
 * File:Mahamana Madan Mohan Malaviya Portrait.jpg needs a United States public domain tag. Also, what makes the website a reliable source to know that this image is this person?
 * PD-US addded. The wesbite is the mother institution (which is also founded), please see and Mahamana.
 * File:Photograph of Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan presented to First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy in 1962.jpg: the link to the source does not lead to the image. Can this be rectified?
 * Done. New link added to File.
 * File:Amarnath Jha VC-BHU.jpg: the link and the data on its description page do not indicate which page number the image is from in the source. This should be included.
 * direct link Pg 768 added to source.
 * File:Narendra Deva 1971 stamp of India.jpg: Needs to be reviewed to ensure that the India pd tag is valid.
 * direct link to *.gov.in domain added. GODL-India applies, not PD-IN.
 * File:CPRamaswami Aiyar 1939.jpg: url to verify the source is broken.
 * Fixed with [Archived link]
 * File:Veni Shankar Jha VC-BHU.jpg: source url should include a page number
 * direct link pg 840 added.
 * File:N.H. BHagwati VC-BHU.jpg: source url should include a page number
 * direct link, pg 848/pg 979 added.
 * File:Triguna Sen 2010 stamp of India.jpg: Needs to be reviewed to ensure that the India pd tag is valid.
 * direct link *.gov.in added, GODL-India applies.
 * File:Professor Amar Chand Joshi.jpg: Needs a pd US tag and to be reviewed to ensure the India pd tag is valid.
 * direct link added, person born in 1908, died in 1971, photo must be of early 30s-40s. The publisher institution is of Dept. Science & Technology, Govt. of India, so GODL-India applies too.
 * File:Kl shrimali.jpg: Needs a pd US tag and to be reviewed to ensure the India pd tag is valid.
 * Source is deprecated. Person's photo is on Parliament website's profile where he entered 1952 and left 1962, Therefore, PD applies. PD-US added.
 * File:Moti Lal Dhar.jpg: Needs a pd US tag and to be reviewed to ensure the India pd tag is valid.
 * Sourced from [www.insaindia.res.in] where person was elected in 1960, born 1914, photo looks like someone in 40-50s. PD-India applies. Also, since The publisher institution is of Dept. Science & Technology, Govt. of India, so GODL-India applies too. PD-US added.
 * File:Professor Hari Narain.jpg: Needs to be reviewed.
 * File present at source link. he publisher institution is of Dept. Science & Technology, Govt. of India, so GODL-India applies.
 * File:Iqbal Narain.png: What is the source for this image? Where was it published?
 * Direct link added. Person born in 1930, Photo appears of his 30s. PD-India applies.
 * File:Raghunath Prasad RP Rastogi.jpg: Needs a pd US tag and to be reviewed to ensure the India pd tag is valid.
 * The publisher institution is of Dept. Science & Technology, Govt. of India, so GODL-India applies too. PD-US added.
 * File:Hari Gautam VC-BHU.jpg: Needs to be reviewed.
 * Direct link added. GODL-India applies.
 * File:Prof. Y.C. Simhadri VC-BHU.png: Needs to be reviewed.
 * Direct link added. GODL-India applies.
 * File:Patcha Ramachandra Rao.jpg: Summary needs more information
 * Added as per available details on File.
 * File:Dr. Panjab Singh.jpg: Needs to be reviewed
 * Present at *.gov.in, GODL-India applies.
 * File:Prof. D.P. Singh Director NAAC Vice Chancellor Banaras Hindu University.jpg: Needs to be reviewed.
 * Present at *.gov.in, GODL-India applies.
 * File:Girish Chandra Tripathi.jpg: Needs to be reviewed.
 * Present at *.gov.in, GODL-India applies.
 * File:Rakesh Bhatnagar 27th Vice-Chancellor of Banaras Hindu University.png: The listed source is another Wikipedia page, which is not a valid source. This needs to be fixed.
 * Fixed.
 * File:Sudhir K Jain Potrait.png: Needs to be reviewed.
 * Same photo as 1st in this list.
 * @Z1720 for your kind attention, please. Thanks, User4edits (talk) 05:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

The following photos have a GODL-India banner, but have not been marked as reviewed to ensure that they are compliant with this. This link has information on how to mark these images as reviewed. If you did not originally add the GODL-India banner, I think it is appropriate for you to mark them as reviewed.


 * File:Narendra Deva 1971 stamp of India.jpg
 * File:Triguna Sen 2010 stamp of India.jpg
 * File:Professor Amar Chand Joshi.jpg
 * File:Kl shrimali.jpg
 * File:Moti Lal Dhar.jpg
 * File:Professor Hari Narain.jpg
 * File:Raghunath Prasad RP Rastogi.jpg
 * File:Hari Gautam VC-BHU.jpg
 * File:Prof. Y.C. Simhadri VC-BHU.png
 * File:Dr. Panjab Singh.jpg
 * File:Prof. D.P. Singh Director NAAC Vice Chancellor Banaras Hindu University.jpg
 * File:Girish Chandra Tripathi.jpg
 * File:Sudhir K Jain Potrait.png

Also, in the chart, some of the images are sized with px. MOS:IMGSIZE recommends using upright instead, so I think these images should be changed to that designation. Z1720 (talk) 16:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Most (except a few) of the images have been uploaded by me only, so it would not be possible for me to review them. If you or anyone else wishes to review them, I would be glad to help in any query or concern.
 * I have used px to maintain uniformity in size as some images are tiny and some super big, so if we use upright, we will have to either calculate for each of them and reach the uniform size, or they would appear in a much less orderly manner. I think it would be COMMONSENSE to use px here.
 * Thanks for the prompt reply @Z1720. User4edits (talk) 17:01, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I am less familiar with FLC criteria concerning px vs upright. Testing out the code, I was roughly able to get the images to similar sizes with upright, though would have to experiment a little more to get it looking more uniform. Maybe one of the directors can determine if px is OK in this circumstance. Z1720 (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It's fine when they're in a table like here; you don't want to do it for standalone images because people have their own default sizes set that it would override, but in a table you're able to set a set width/desired height for a column and then make the images fit. -- Pres N  18:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Considering the above, I'm willing to declare support based on image review alone. Z1720 (talk) 01:59, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Comments from Airship

 * General
 * There are a significant number of citations which need to be marked with the |url-status=dead parameter.
 * What is the purpose of the citations in the "Remarks" column where there are no remarks? All the ones I have looked at seem to be completely unnecessary.
 * I believe it was not so earlier, and was added to provide a reference for each office holder in previous comments. Nonetheless, they are standalone references rather than a general list. User4edits (talk) 05:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Per MOS:NUMERAL, numbers less than ten should be spelt out in letters.


 * Infobox
 * In general, too many parameters are unnecessarily used.
 * Why is the BYU flag specified to "fly atop vice-chancellor's car and office"? Can this be cited? I suspect not, so why is the caption not simply "Banaras Hindu University flag"?
 * I do not think we can find references specifically citing that. However, it is common knowledge backed by images. User4edits (talk) 05:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The citations for the "style" parameter do not support the current entry. A proper citation would state "XYZ is the style of address used by the vice-chancellor", not "[assorted collection of the use of a common abbreviation]".
 * The "Type" parameter is completely unnecessary. No, readers are not that unintelligent.
 * Vice-chancellor is not a universal position, it has been added to help readers from a different background. User4edits (talk) 05:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The "status" parameter means "does it still exist?", not "what is it?".
 * I do not find this on template page, so a reference citing this would be helpful. User4edits (talk) 05:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * One of the two citations for the acronym VC-BHU instead call it BHU V-C. Why has the former been chosen ahead of the latter?
 * The former is used officially on X by the organisation, and in other sources as well. User4edits (talk) 05:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * As the VC is only ex-officio a member (strictly speaking the chairperson) of the Executive Council, Academic Council, and Finance Committee, they should not be present in the "Member of" parameter.
 * Ex-officio means by the virtue of the position they are holding, not individually. I do not understand "only" here. (For example, president is ex-officio supreme commander of armed forces). Chairperson are anyway a member first (of any body which has members). Anyway, as per Chapter II BHU Act Article 14, 17, and 21, the VC is a member, and chairperson vide Chapter I of the same Act Article 7C (2) User4edits (talk) 05:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The "Reports to" paramter is not cited in the infobox or body.
 * This is derived from Visitor-Vice Chancellor relationship set in Article 5 BHU Act and User4edits (talk) 05:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

User4edits (talk) 05:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The anchor for the Central Office in the Seat parameter is non-functioning.
 * The "(Visitor of the university)" is not necessary in the "Appointer" parameter"
 * That is to clarify that the President of India appoints in capacity of Visitor of Univ, and not Head of State. User4edits (talk) 05:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * For the term length parameter: a) see the MOS:NUMERAL point above b) "Second term of fresh appointment possible." is not intelligible English.
 * User4edits (talk)


 * The "Precursor" parameter does not mean what you think it means (this is also apparent in the second paragraph of prose).
 * User4edits (talk) 05:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The "Deputy" parameter should only be used when the deputy position is notable enough to have an article of its own.
 * User4edits (talk) 05:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

With that many issues with the infobox alone immediately apparent, I am going to oppose—I haven't even checked the prose or the list itself. Ping me if you are sure these issues and others have been fixed; I do not have the time to enter into a cumbersome and tiring WP:FIXLOOP. &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @AirshipJungleman29 you may want to see my replies above, Thanks, User4edits (talk) 13:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Quick ping to see if you intend on returning to this nomination or not. -- Pres N  14:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @PresN Any update? Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 03:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

This nomination has been open for four months; in that time it's gotten one support and one oppose. While the opposer isn't returning, I took a glance at the list itself, and can immediately see that the lede has a bunch of 1-sentence paragraphs; odd phrasing like "preceding the vice-chancellor"; sorting the table by name sorts by first name, not last; the "remarks" seem arbitrary, and also don't give context (why do some have the length of tenure but don't say why the person got more than 2 terms? What does "NIRF ranking of the university dropped from third to sixth after five years" even mean?). This is just way too many issues to be seeing in a quick glance-over after 4 months, especially after AirshipJungleman29 said that you should check the prose as well as the infobox and no edits were made there. I'm going to go ahead and close this nomination; feel free to renominate once the issues are fixed. I recommend a copyedit as well. -- Pres N  21:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


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