Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/BBC Young Musician of the Year/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was kept by Gimmetrow 04:35, 19 April 2009.

BBC Young Musician of the Year

 * Notified:WP Awards and prizes, WP BBC, WP Television and Sunderland06

Review
 * 1) The entire Past finalists section is unreferenced except for 2004, 2006 and 2008. Comment - All of the competitions years are covered by the general references.
 * 2) The list is also redundant because it has the winners at the top and again in the past finalists section. Comment - The past finalists section is an overview of all of the competitions past finalists, it highlights the winners for ease, rather than the reader having to refer to the above section.
 * 3) The prose section is also very short relative to the article's scope. Comment - I've expanded this slightly in relevance to the list.

Did you bring these concerns up on the talk page first? Most of these are issues that can be fixed without a formal review first. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Did it now. Is this usually what should be done?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. Since we are here, we might as well keep the FLR open. Significant contributors and relevant WikiProjects should be notified. I will take care of that. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Keep Comments 
 * There needs to be a symbol to accompany the color. Done - added † symbol.
 * What makes http://www.musicweb-international.com/sandh/2008/Jan-Jun08/bbcym_comp2.htm a reliable source? Done - Replced with different reference. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There shouldn't be a space between the dagger symbol and the item. Done - Removed space.
 * Could you link the instrument names? Comment - Done some for now, I'm just wondering if you mean every link, or just some, before I can continue.
 * Can you red link the notable unlinked person's names?
 * No need to link music in the lead. Done - Delinked.
 * "EMCY" Spell this out. Done - Spelt out.
 * "The BBC Young Musician of the Year is a televised national music competition, broadcast on BBC Two and BBC Four biennially, and hosted by the British Broadcasting Corporation."-->The BBC Young Musician of the Year is a televised national music competition. It is broadcast on BBC Two and BBC Four biennially, and hosted by the British Broadcasting Corporation. Done - Changed to that.
 * "Its first winner was Michael Hext playing the Trombone."-->Michael Hext, a trombonist, was the inaugural winner. Done - Changed to that.
 * " Currently, the competition has five " Done - Removed "Currently".
 * "Moore also holds the title for the youngest winner of the competition aged 12."-->Moore also holds the title for the youngest winner of the competition, at age 12. Done - Changed.
 * "and is still permitted for use nowaday " Done - Removed "nowaday".
 * The only other thing that worries me is the total dependence on the primary source. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

My issues have been resolved. I suppose the primary source issue can't be helped, although I wish some reliable third party sources were added for back-up. I think this is in keep territory. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:08, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Comments Hope you address these issues.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You should mention that the ceremony takes place every two years. didn't know what "biennially" means.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:03, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The structure is inconsistent (Some years have a lead and some not, all years should have a lead or something about them). Comment - There are only leads for the years that have info available, removing it for consistency would be sacrificing comprehensiveness.
 * The symbol † usually means that the person died, which isn't the case in most of them. Dabomb87 I don't see why a symbol is necessary.
 * The symbol doesn't have that specific meaning on WP. The symbol is needed to accompany the color per WP:COLOR. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Can it be something else than a cross? It means death in Christianity: Symbols_of_death and symbolizes the death date of a person in Books. Why isn't it a * or # ---Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:28, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no reason to change it, but I don't care either way. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You should indicate class winners, because most of them are notable and have their articles on wikipedia. Comment I think this would just lead to confusion, and clutter up the list.
 * All sources are from the BBC. Add some out of universe sources like time magazine or new york times or something. Comment - I've changed two references, it isn't solely dependant on the BBC sources now.


 * Comments from  T ru  c o  
 * Lead
 * It is broadcast on BBC Two and BBC Four biennially, and hosted by the British Broadcasting Corporation. -- (BBC)'' should come at the end after the spelled out name Done
 * The lead should be expanded a bit more to summarize the list, like who was the first winner, what instrument has garnered more winners, etc. Done
 * Winners
 * I find it odd that there are red links here, but in the finalists table there aren't. I believe you should just not link those here either.
 * No. Keep the red links unless the subjects are not notable. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:09, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why isn't this table sortable? Done - Is now.
 * Finalists
 * Although it may end up a big list, you should merge some of the sections to cut down on the TOC. Comment - There aren't any sections that can be merged really, I've put a TOClimit in though.
 * I meant like one big list (thus merging every section)-- T ru  c o   22:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I really don't see the value of doing this. Sunderland06  (talk) 14:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why isn't this sortable? Done - Made sortable.
 * The overall number of finalists was significantly smaller for the number of finalists in this competition. Done - Removed redundancy.
 * The 2006 and 2008 notes should not have full stops, commas and semi-colons should be used accordingly instead. Done
 * Why are there no notes for the lists before 2006? Comment - Because detailed info only started being recording at that time.
 * Why do the lists before 2004 not have a intro sentence? Comment - As Above. -- T ru  c o   17:53, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Some of the notes in the winners table need the full stops removed because they are not complete sentences.-- T ru  c o   21:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * After a look through, I couldn't find any. Sunderland06  (talk) 22:28, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Plenty are in there. For example, "Became the first percussionist to win the award, now performs with an array of ensembles including the 4-MALITY Percussion Quartet." is not a complete sentence. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:33, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I mistook this as full stops in the middle of the note, not at the end, will do now. Sunderland06  (talk) 22:39, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This also applies to the finalists, mainly the 2006 and 2008 sections.-- T ru  c o   23:36, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep -- The article now meets WP:WIAFL.-- T ru  c o   00:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Done this now. Sunderland06 (talk) 23:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The only other thing I see that stands out is the shading for the winner in the finalists section, the shading/shadowing should only be on the person's name, since the symbol states that it refers to the person.-- T ru  c o   23:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Sunderland06  (talk) 00:12, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Image comment – File:BBC Young Musician of the Year logo.jpg needs to be made smaller. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Resized. Working on above still. Sunderland06  (talk) 23:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay to the tables. In response to the data not being available, you need to make a footnote explaining that, as the reader won't go searching for this FLRC.-- T ru  c o   02:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Right, I've added the footnote. I'd also like to apologise for the time its took for me to respond to these issues, as I've been rather busy. Sunderland06  (talk) 18:27, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Everything looks fine, but the only general critique are the many wikilinks. You have wikilinked each instrument each time it came. Everything should only be wikilinked once I think.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 06:38, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, the instruments should be linked on every occurrence in the table because the table is sortable. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.