Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/Gwen Stefani discography/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was kept by User:Sephiroth BCR 23:05, 3 November 2008.

Gwen Stefani discography
Notified: WP:DISCOG, WP:ROCK, User:Escape Artist Swyer, User:17Drew, User:Cacarlo92, User:PiracyFundsTerrorism, User:Tezkag72.''

This list no longer meets the FL Criteria. It has many issues: That'll do for now. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 22:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's lead section is not up to scratch, consisting of one paragraph and a parastub.
 * There are multiple WP:MOS violations, such as "US" and "U.S.", and inconsistencies with chart names ("WW" and "UWC"),
 * unformatted references ([14]).✅
 * chart positions are not referenced
 * the infobox links don't link to the sections because they don't have the same names
 * the key, "—" denotes releases that did not chart. uses mdashes, but the tables have ndashes
 * "—**" denotes that a single was not released in that area. is unnecessary and the asterisks clutter the tables✅
 * The three notes for the albums are not needed. "European RnB, HipHop chart" -- does this exist? Why isn't it linked to if it's a notable chart?
 * ARIA R&B chart. Italics, really? I don't think info about this component chart is necessary
 * 1xtra chart.. 1Xtra is a radio station, and again shouldn't be italicised. It's also not an official chart.
 * Note 3 about being released in continental Europe -- not necessary due to the dashes in the table showing where it wasn't released✅
 * Singles sales and certifications needs referencing and merging into the singles table
 * The Miscellaneous section: What is miscellaneous supposed to mean? Collaborations? Then call it that
 * Music video directors need referencing
 * Unreleased songs should be removed. They were never released, and shouldn't appear on a discography.
 * United World Chart was deleted for being un-notable. The UWC chart positions should be removed ✅
 * aCharts is relied upon too much for referencing, instead of official charts, and there have been many discussions regarding its reliablity.


 * I'll start working on this right away. Please give me a few days to get it up to scratch. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 23:49, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And i'm helping. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 15:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment You left out the fact that there are far too many charts being used in the tables. PiracyFundsTerrorism (talk) 05:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats not importent. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 16:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Says who, BBHS? On the one hand, he's right - most discogs have around 10 charts so as not to fall into WP:NOT or WP:IINFO; however, it clearly shows that Gwen has had success in many countries (the country with the fewest chart entries is Sweden, with 6 out of 11 singles), and rules can be broken at times.
 * Denmark has three and rule or guidline is not very good since nearly no one is following it. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 18:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL That's one of the worst reasons I've heard in a long time.  The validity of guidelines isn't based on whether or not it interferes with fans who want to add very important information.  The letter – and spirit – of WP:NOT is that "sprawling lists of statistics may be confusing to readers and reduce the readability".  Chart positions in a discography show trends in how well albums and their singles performed worldwide.  Knowing how something charted in...Finland (Finland?  Really?  That's what, .1% of the global market?)...doesn't give readers any information they can't glean from the other fifteen or so positions there.  Instead, it just makes it an ugly unreadable mess.  PiracyFundsTerrorism (talk) 04:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * BBHS, I'm assuming the two of the three in Denmark are component charts, and wouldn't be suitable anyway. Piracy, I tend to agree with you on this occasion, though if every one of her releases had got to number 1 there, it would be important to keep it, I think. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:13, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * How US-centric. Finland? Really? Oh it's just a tiny country over in Yoor-up, it doesn't matter. As long as we have the US right at the front (out of alphabetical order, I might add), it's fine. Who's actually heard of Finland anyway? It's not like we're sitting in the middle of a giant encyclopedia. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 16:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Your argument is a straw man, and there was nothing US-centric about what I said. As I stated, Finland makes up about a tenth of a percent of the market; it has an almost negligible impact on how many copies a single sells.  I also notice you didn't even attempt to address WP:NOT, considering the point I made about a table this large being unreadable is valid and supported by policy.  PiracyFundsTerrorism (talk) 19:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Stefani is a US singer, that is why the US chart is given first. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 22:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats true, but his right about this wikipedia when it comes to US-centric. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 05:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm aware of the bias in WP, but we can't change the world in a day. Let's stick to doing it one article at a time. This one. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * More
 * Some retrieval dates are linked in references, others aren't.
 * use List of Record Charts to pipelink the relevant charts in the Albums and Singles table, instead of linking to the name of the country.
 * Looking much better, by the way. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 17:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What else does the lead need? I'm brushed it up a bit but I don't know exactly what it should look like. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 01:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * See The White Stripes discography for an example. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose delisting - Matthewedwards concerns have been addressed, just waiting for more comments, if there are any. iMatthew 23:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * More
 * I'm generally happy the way this FLRC has gone, and the improvements made to the list. I still feel the Lede section could be improved upon, and I was wondering about some of the entries in the "Certifications" columns. Does "Sales: 7 million" and "Sales: 4 million" refer to worldwide sales or US sales? Please clarify in the list. Finally, are there any other certifications in other countries for her singles? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 05:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
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