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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was kept by Dabomb87 01:24, 14 October 2009.

List of Arsenal F.C. players

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This list was brought up in a question during the recent FLRC delegate election, and it struck me as failing to meet modern FL standards. It has been nominated previously, and the FLRC resulted in a rare no-consensus decision. The primary issue there was the scope of the list, which is not my main concern. I have one comment on it below, but there are other pressing matters as well: If you need a model, List of Birmingham City F.C. players looks like a good list to follow, though the inclusion criteria is different.  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 14:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Criterion 2: The lead is very short and inadequate for an FL nowadays. The style of the first sentence (This is a list of...) is discouraged now at FLC, so that should be changed. Basically, it needs quite a bit of expansion.
 * Criterion 3: The list is defined as including players with 100 or more appearances. In that case, why are numerous players who had less than 100 appearances included just because they are active? If they are to be included, it should say so somewhere.
 * Criterion 4: Not the biggest issue, but Denilson is sorting at the top, instead of in the Ds.
 * Criterion 5: If the active players stay, they need en dashes for year range instead of hyphens. Also, the image needs alt text.
 * Perhaps most importantly, the referencing needs major improvements. There are no inlines in the lead; these should be added as the lead is expanded. The Gunnermania general reference is a personal website, and by no means qualifies as a reliable source. This was brought up during the last FLRC, and I'm surprised that the list was kept with it still included.
 * Two disambiguation links need to be fixed.
 * Comment - there's certainly no reason to include the entire current squad, that's blatant recentism. Let them earn a place on the list like everyone else. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:23, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The Gunnermania site could be replaced with Soccerbase, their data should be good from 1996 onwards. I might have a crack at starting remedial work on this article later today.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Replaced all sources with the club's official player database. Removed current players with less than 100 apps.  Fixed dabs. Added alt text.  Denilson now no longer in the table so sorting on his name not an issue.  Dashes fixed.  More to come..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Now expanded the lead and added inline refs. Please let me know if there's any more work you feel needs to be done..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks worlds better than what it originally was. One minor formatting question I have: are the dates in references 3, 4 and 6 supposed to be access dates?  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 01:23, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Good spot - now fixed -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:12, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Comment I'm about ready to close this FLRC—good work to all. Can reviewers double check to make sure this meets all criteria? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Keep – Quickly checked the list again, and the criteria all appear to be met. Chris did a great job fixing the list up.  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 01:15, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Comments The Rambling Man (talk) 18:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not just link Arsenal straight away? It won't be bold because it's not the title of the list, so no breach of MOSBOLD if it was linked.
 * For such simple inclusion criteria (i.e. at least 100 appearances), perhaps the criterion could be included in the italic note at the top to make things really clear?
 * Playing positions key - too much overcapitalisation, e.g. "Inside Forward" should just be "Inside forward".
 * Rutherford's dates are confusing as he ends in 1923 and then restarts in 1923...
 * Arsenal F.C. is a supercategory of Arsenal F.C. players, isn't it? Is it needed?
 * Just back from a short Wikibreak, will get to those points ASAP, hopefully later today..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:25, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * All done bar Rutherford's dates, I need to check them with the source -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:58, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently Rutherford left Arsenal to join Stoke in March 1923, but returned to Arsenal in September of the same year, so the dates are in fact correct. Can you suggest a clearer/less confusing way to show it...........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose the best solution, since the facts are indubitably the facts, is to add a note so that anyone asking the question I've just asked needn't ask it! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:07, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note added -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
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