Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was kept by The Rambling Man 10:34, 27 June 2009.

List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes

 * Notified: NuclearWarfare, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Avatar: The Last Airbender task force, Talk:Avatar:The Last Airbender

I am nominating this for featured list removal because almost all of it is sourced unreliably. I can't fathom Amazon ever being a reliable source for anything. Also, what makes TVShowsOnDVD.com or the EzyDVD.au site (which is just a bare URL, not in a citation template) a reliable source? Both appear to be sales sites like Amazon as well. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 15:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep
 * Amazon is discouraged for use as a source because of its commercial nature, not because of its unreliability. See for example, this RSN thread.
 * TVShowsOnDVD is used in other Featured Lists, such as List of 24 episodes and List of Seinfeld episodes, both of which I had nothing to do with. Per their copyright policy, I believe they are affiliated with TV Guide, and are not a sales site.
 * TVShowsOnDVD was proved reliable at Featured article candidates/Last of the Summer Wine/archive1. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * EzyDVD.au is an Australian version of Amazon, if I do believe. They are also a sales site, but per the RSN link I provided earlier, it is fine to use it to cite basic information. If you really want, I'll double source it, and put it in the proper citation format; those links have been added after the FLC, and I had forgot to properly format them after another user had added it.

NW ( Talk ) ( How am I doing? ) 16:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh. I'm still not sold on the sources. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 17:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * TVShowsonDVD.com is indeed a reliable source. It is not just affiliated with TV Guide (website, not magazine or TV network -- they're all under different ownerships now), it is owned by TV Guide website's parent company One Equity Partners. Amazon and EzyDVD are also used amongst many GA, FA and FLs as reliable sources, for technical information only, although a non-sales site is preferable.
 * As for page content, some improvements could be made, but they would have been better raised at the talk page first:
 * WP:OVERLINKING
 * WP:PEACOCK in first sentence
 * Actually, while the page is being worked on, it might be worth finding someone to copyedit the Lede, just to make sure it's all good.
 * There's a lot of whitespace in the writer and director columns that the episode title columns could borrow from (this are the most important column, after all)
 * Footnotes should not use an alphabetical system rather than a number system as it conflicts with regular references (see WP:FOOT for current accepted practices)
 * Footnotes 4 through 13: So what if they can't be verified online? We have cite journal, cite news, cite book - can any of these options be used?
 * Airdates are unreferenced
 * Referenced from IGN, see referemces section. NW ( Talk ) 17:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Are the numbers being represented as production codes actually production codes, or just an episode number "106" being the sixth episode of season 1. (I imagine for animated episodes, more than one is being produced at any one time, and I doubt they are produced and completed in order they were broadcast.) cf. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television
 * I haven't gotten a chance to see the DVD they come from, but there is a footnote that says that they come from the production commentary of the final season's DVD. I was thinking of possibly replacing it with something like List of Numb3rs episodes currently is. NW ( Talk ) 17:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The Skittlepedia effect needs to go. I believe it fails Criterion 5(a). "Visual appeal. Makes suitable use of ... colour." Visual appeal doesn't mean looking like a bag of candy, and colours shouldn't be used just to make things look pretty. They should be used to identify something. This one of my points from the first FLC that I felt went unresolved.
 * Finally, this last remark may seem ironic as I pressed hard for it at the FLC, but there has been a turn around of late with regard to transcluding episode tables from season pages. Yes, it means there are two pages to maintain, but it also means that if the information is wrong on one page, it isn't wrong on two.

It needs a bit of work, but it shouldn't be too hard to do. Hopefully it won't be delisted. Matthewedwards : Chat  06:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the colors help identify the themes of each season. They are not just there for looks.  —  Jake   Wartenberg  23:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there a source for that? Dabomb87 (talk) 16:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh man, I totally forgot about this FLRC till yesterday. As for the themes bit, the seasons in order are named: "Book 1: Water", "Book 2: Earth", and "Book 3: Fire". (Just look at the individual articles; there ought to be a source there). As for the rest of the things that Matthewedwards brought up, I can do them, but I'm rather busy with other things I want to get done first. Would it be possible for someone to close this, and just bring this up on the talk page in a few weeks? I could handle all of those minor details then. NW ( Talk ) 17:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment But try to remove commercial links. On the other hand they are verifiable links, which gives true information which is most important. Yet I cannot vote untill I read featured candidate guidelines fully. Kasaalan (talk) 17:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The commercial links are irreplaceable. I have tried to find better links, but to no avail; the information doesn't exist elsewhere in a reliable source. NW ( Talk ) 19:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delist Currently fails 5(a). As Matthew mentioned, "Skittlepedia effect needs to go". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crzycheetah (talk • contribs)

As NW said above I removed the transclusion skittle colouring. For the last half hour I've been fiddling with options for unskittling the DVD region box. The colour could be removed, but with a complete and relatively long re-coding there is a different option. Opinions? Rambo's Revenge (talk)  19:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note - The "Skittlepedia" effect was removed by Rambo's Revenge. I forgot that the header could still be in color, and so the article looks fine to me now. NW</b> ( Talk ) 18:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally, I prefer the way it is now, but if we were to go with the uncolored option, I rather like the second one. Also, is there any way to apply these changes to the season pages as well? <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) 19:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify that, by "second one" did you mean the second one of three (titled Uncolour) or the second of the uncoloured versions (titled Completely re-code)? Also does anyone else have a preference, baring in mind any colour differences can be changed. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  11:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I meant the Completely re-code one. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) 12:47, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep: See no real reason why sources aren't reliable. They all check out.  The Flash  {talk} 04:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. I removed the skittlepedia effect from the table and recoded the DVD tables (on the season pages as well), which was IMO an improvement. Amazon and the other sales sites, are discourage from use, but they are reliable and I assume they are being used because no better sources can be found. I'm not wild about the empty Region 4 tables but if they are problamatic they can easily be removed. I see no problems that would make me want to delist. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  16:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
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