Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of Desperate Housewives episodes/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was removed by IMatthew 00:05, 24 August 2009.

List of Desperate Housewives episodes

 * ''Notified: WP:TV, 97198, AdamDeanHall

I am nominating this for featured list removal because it has fallen by the wayside since its promotion just over two years ago. I feel it fails most, if not all, of the current Featured list criteria:

Criterion 2 (Lede):
 * The Lede is somewhat inadequate, with only the first paragraph (four-sentence) discussing the episodes. The second paragraph (one sentence) tells us who the actresses are, and the third paragraph (also one sentence) tells us that most (quantity please?) episodes are titled after lyrics by one person. Since this doesn't come up again in the article, it should have a reference.

Criterion 3(b) (comprehensiveness/length):
 * Contrasting most "3(b) nominations" here, this list fails it by being too big, but I think "...could not reasonably be included as part of a related article." can be equally applicable to lists that are too big as well as those that are too small.
 * The page is one of only two Featured episode lists for a series with season pages that includes episode summaries on the main LoE page. All other episode lists for which there are also season pages have the summaries on those season pages, with the episode list page taking on an almost Summary style set up. Currently, none of the Desperate Housewives season pages have episode tables. Since none of those seasons are FL/GA/FAs, it is beneficial to include them there instead, which would mean the episode list and season pages follow current practices and the MOS:TV guidelines.

Criterion 4 (structure):
 * My only quibble here is that section headers are styled "Season 4: 2007–2008". The season is not called that, simply "Season 4". By reading either the season table or the series overview table, the reader can see that it was broadcast between 2007 and 2008, so the year range isn't entirely necessary.

Criterion 5 (style):
 * Table columns from one season to the next are all over the place. There is no consistent column widths.
 * Some writers names are redlinks, but others are not linked at all. I'm not at all opposed to redlinks, but again, it should be consistent throughout.
 * The "Episode" column has numbers such as "3-09 (50)". This may mean something to regular WP:TV folk, or even fans of the show; Special:Random readers may not know that it means "Episode 9 of season 3; episode 50 overall". episode list has dedicated columns for two episode numbers to produce a column for the episode # of the season and an overall episode #.
 * I've already mentioned above that it contravenes MOS:TV, but it also violates WP:MOS and some subpages, including but not limited to:
 * WP:DASH in the Series overview table
 * WP:MSH
 * WP:OVERLINK on writers and directors, since the tables are not sortable

Criterion 1 (prose):
 * WP:PLOTSUM, WP:PLOTONLY, and WP:WAF will be of help here.
 * Left the first criterion til the end. The prose here is far from "professional"; episode summaries are plot teasers in places; some summaries are too long, some too short; :
 * Season one began airing on October 3, 2004 and featured a total of 23 episodes and one clip show. wrong tense
 * Mike's dog ends up in the hospital
 * Bree pins the blame on her husband Rex at marriage counselling. -- about what? This is the first mention of either character
 * incorrect use of single quotes where double should be used, such as Gabrielle becomes jealous of the 'other woman' in the life of her lover and forcing Gabrielle to 'come clean'.
 * The residents of Wisteria Lane learn Mrs. Huber's fate. What is it?
 * "NRS" - what is this an acronym of?


 * Then we get to season 6, which hasn't aired yet:
 * In this amazing season premiere -- it hasn't aired. There is no critical coverage that has described it as amazing, and even if there is, this is the wrong way to present it
 * we will eventually find out, We'll meet Angie Bolen -- uses first-person-plural POV (I've tagged this)
 * McCluskey falls for a streak salesman called Roy Handler. what is a streak salesman? Does he sell streaks?
 * Copyvio: After Julie wakes up, she sees and hears something Angie wished she hadn't seen. She hopes Julie will think she was dreaming, but the doctor doesn't think that is likely. compared with the referenced article's When Julie briefly wakes, she sees or hears something that Angie wishes she hadn't seen. She clearly hopes Julie will think she was dreaming, but the doctor doesn't think that's likely.
 * Copyvio: Gabrielle's former gardener boy-toy, John Rowland, returns to Wisteria Lane. As Ana learns that Gaby had an affair with him, she plans to intimidate Gaby by setting her sights on him, because he's single now. Meanwhile, Susan finds a mysterious homeless boy on the street compared with the referenced article's Gabrielle's former gardener boy-toy returns to Wisteria Lane. As Ana learns that Gaby had an affair with John Rowland she sets her sights on him, because he's single now. And Susan finds a mysterious homeless boy on the street.
 * Copyvio: Susan and Jake want to buy something to eat, but Jake tells Susan about the affair between Karl and Bree. Ana and John want a future together. compared with the referenced article's Susan and Jake want to buy something to eat, but Jake told Susan about the affair between Karl and Bree! Ana and John want a future together!
 * There may be more. It might be wise to Google some sentences and see if and where they pop up.


 * There are many other bits of prose that need addressing, but this is a start. Hopefully the summaries will be addressed before the tables get moved to the individual season pages (if that is indeed what happens with them)

References
 * TV Guide or any other reliable source should be used as a reference instead of the primary source ABC for the "general ref", which can then be moved to External links
 * Sourcing for DVDs relies primarily on sales sites such as EMPiK and Amazon.com. Is there nothing else to cover this information?
 * Futon Critic. RS? I'm not sure
 * Refs need to be correctly formatted. Website names such as The Futon Critic shouldn't be italicised, and attributions such as "MSNBC.com" and "people.com" should be changed to just MSNBC and People. Date format could also be updated from ISO to "mmmm dd, yyyy" to follow that in the main body of the page.
 * Is http://newshows.jimdo.com a RS?

Matthewedwards : Chat  05:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've removed the WP:Copyvios. Otherwise no changes have been made yet.... Matthewedwards : Chat  17:40, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delist I was thinking of nominating this list for removal, but I couldn't summarize the issues. I agree with most (if not all) of your comments, Matthew.--Crzycheetah 22:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.