Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of Presidents of the United States/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was removed by User:Matthewedwards 21:45, 30 October 2008.

List of Presidents of the United States

 * Notified: WP:USPREZ. I can't tell who originally nominated the list to FLC, either from Featured list candidates/List of Presidents of the United States/archive1, or its history. :(

With the new criteria, the Lead is a little inadequate now. Two paragraphs to define the scope and inclusion criteria, but nothing to actually say what the US president is. I don't mean his constitutional duties, but what it means to be President, what the position is, to provide even the basic context for the non-US reader. Lead needs to summarize the page, too. Currently there is nothing to say how many Presidents there have been, who was the first, and who is the current. Other information, such as how long a person is President for (usually a term of four years), who has held consecutive terms, who has held office more than once (separately), who has died while in office. etc. I don't propose a rehash of President of the United States, or what the president does, but an overview of the presidents themselves.

Two other minor things are that the table could do with being sortable if it's possible -- not sure if it is because of the colspans, and the period after the S in Harry S. Truman. According to Harry S. Truman, it is not used by the Official White House biography, and Truman didn't care either way, but I'm not sure if that should even be discussed here. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure with a little attention this timely list could easily be saved. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Attempt to maintain Rambo's Revenge (talk)  23:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, I have real knowledge of Presidents or of the U.S.for that matter but I feel that this is a historically important list and so I will try and maintain its featured status. I have tried to address things like what the president is, length of term, and a summary of the list in the lead. I hope what I have put is correct but may need someone to check as I don't really know of the technical details of the job description or the election process. Anyway I think I've done most of the stuff you've said is there anything else that needs bringing up to current FL standards. I don't think this can be made sortable without the loss of either term of president number information but if any table wizards have any bright ideas on what could be done please say.
 * I have tried to make the opening clearer as to what the President is. I have also included a mention of the racially and genderly (because I don't want to say sexually) significant tickets this November. I'm not sure whether the word President should be capitalized or not; please make that uniform. Also, the syntax for the next president (make one for each party) should be prepared in comment brackets. --HereToHelp (talk to me) 02:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * think the race/gender thing would be better at United States presidential election, 2008 wrt to the new president. This is a list of past and current presidents, and gender and race has no effect on this list, since they've all been white and male. There's also no need to make syntax for the new president, who won't be president for another 3-and-a-bit months. The page is already a target for vandalism, and the temptation to remove the is too great. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, so we can leave out current election data until we know a winner, though I think it's worth mentioning they've all been white and male. From what I gather from the comments above, nobody has much of an issue with the list (other than sortability), just the lead. It'll survive.--HereToHelp (talk to me) 21:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably. But the process isn't just to bring up things that are blatantly wrong. Does it meet the rest of the criteria? Does the table need formatting differently? If you've got any issues with the list in any way, now's the place to raise them. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Rambo's Revenge (talk)  21:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have made President consitently capitalised - I am not sure if it is correct but that is the style used in the President of the United States page.
 * Wrt Harry Truman, "S." or "S"? - I don't see any point in going to something different as the Harry S. Truman page. If that page (a FA) moves its name to "Harry S Truman" then we should follow that trend, but it has been previously discussed there.


 * I can try to bring it up to the standards of the various governor lists I've made, but it would require a bit of a rewrite. I'm hesitant to do it right off, but I'm willing to. IMO, it should look more similar to List of Governors of Alabama, with the specific information on terms, length, succession, and the term sizes, though maybe we want to keep the term number on the right as it is now (though it doesn't seem as useful...) It definitely needs better footnoting, what is there now is pretty bad, and pretty ancient. And it needs better sourcing. But I've done a little reformatting to prep it for any future changes. --Golbez (talk) 05:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What is the current status of the list right now? Is it being worked on, or has it been left for dead? Dabomb87 (talk) 12:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's been left for dead. It's also protected against editing right now. That is an automatic fail for GA, and I think it should be here, too. Matthewedwards 20:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Closing comments. Nomination has been open for 30 days. It's protected from editing, relies upon two inline citations and two generic ones. No consensus to keep. Matthewedwards 21:36, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.