Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of major opera composers/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was removed by  Pres N  17:35, 20 November 2015 (UTC).

List of major opera composers

 * Notified: Adam Cuerden, WikiProject Composers, WikiProject Opera

While reading some FL-related talk pages, I came across a link to the old FLC task force, where I found this list. It fails to meet the modern FL criteria in many ways:
 * The lead is very short and it seems designed to make the reader go to other articles for background that may provide added context, instead of attempting to briefly summarize the background as a newer FL would. I'd expect a lead of three paragraphs or so for such a significant topic.
 * The introduction isn't much better than the "This is a list of ..." openings that have gone out of favor.
 * It doesn't appear that all of the content in the composer notes is cited. Often, there are cites in the note, but not at the end; it therefore becomes hard to determine if the cites are meant to apply to the content, or whether it was added after the fact.
 * In particular, none of the notes in the Female opera composers section appear to be sourced.
 * I'm unsure whether the method of determining consensus for inclusion by checking 10 major sources holds up to modern standards. For one thing, have there been any major opera history books published that deserve to be included in what the article calls the "sample" of sources considered? Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:17, 4 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delist - I would agree that this should be de-featured unless anyone wants to extensively rewrite it. The crux is the absence of any clear deinition of 'major', together with some confusion as to whether we are considering major operas or major composers. In addition to the points made by Giants2008, I note (amongst many other issues): John Gay is not a composer, and Pepusch a very minor figure (if Gay and Pepusch why not, e.g. Gilbert and Sullivan?); what is the point of specifiying a Mozart extract as being 6 mins. 49 secs., which could suggest to the uninformed that this is its authorized duration?; why Gershwin, Schreker and Pfitzner?; no male born after 1950; female composers listed very doubtfully qualify as 'major' composers, I'm afraid - perhaps better separate lists of male and female composers? The whole thing needs a complete rethink. --Smerus (talk) 08:09, 4 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delist the lead is full of inappropriate tone AND too short, and the article is underreferenced Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:45, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delist per Smerus.4meter4 (talk) 15:44, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Closing this nomination as Delist; no major work done and consensus to delist. -- Pres N  17:32, 20 November 2015 (UTC)


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