Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Aerogel matches

Aerogel matches

 * Reason:This picture greatly improves the clarity of the "Properties" section of Aerogel, it has great image quality and basically fulfills all of the FP criteria. (Not to mention was considered as a replacement for Image:Aerogelbrick.jpg as a FP.)
 * Articles this image appears in:Aerogel, Match
 * Creator: Ed g2s NASA


 * Support as nominator  ~  Mag nus   an im um    (aka Steptrip) 23:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Even though I did put it in the delisting nomination for people to compare it with the other one, I still think this one also is not up to FP quality. It's easily reproducible and the quality is some how poor. But the subject is indeed very interesting. --Arad 00:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment how is the aerogel suspended above the flame? It's a little too hard to figure out for me, it looks a bit too photoshopped, even though I don't think it is. Mak (talk)  02:01, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * it's not suspended above the flame. The aero gel is the flame. It's made in a way that makes it look like a flame. Right? --Arad 02:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I see the aerogel, it's the, well, gel-looking square. The flame is from the torch below it. But how is the aerogel being held up? Is it the clear plastic circle you can see? What is the circle made of? what is it attached to? I don't like having to ask all these questions about an FP, but maybe I'm being picky. Mak (talk)  02:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Another picture from the source displays the stand holding up the aerogel block: Phony Saint 02:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * My point is more that it is difficult to tell what is going on in the image than that the image is fake or anything like that. Mak (talk)  02:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Answer: The aerogel support is the gray bar that is visible if you look at the top right hemisphere of the image closely. The aerogel is the blurry (and it looks that way because of the way light is refracted in the substance) substance immediately below the circle and above the flame. The clear circle, which I'm fairly certain is just plastic, is there so that the matches do not touch the aerogel directly. Hope that cleared everything up,  ~  Mag nus   an im um    (aka Steptrip) 02:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict... Magnus/Steptrip, I'm afraid you're a bit off) - Hi Makemi. These aerogel images are rather cool, but I don't think this is the best illustration. You have to get matches pretty hot before they spontaneously ignite. The Crayola image here is a better example and also answers your question about what's holding it up. The aerogel is supported on a steel loop stand thingy, which is much more visible in this shot. I don't think they're photoshopped, it's just that the lighting is darker on the matches photo. --YFB ¿  03:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, I understand, I'm just saying that the illustration is not great because it's not immediately clear what's going on. Mak (talk)  03:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

(od) Uh, sorry... just spotted that this has already been pointed out above. Oops. Do you have an opinion on the Crayola image as an alternative? --YFB ¿  03:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If it weren't so small and smudgy it might be, yeah :) Mak (talk)  03:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 739x882... OK, I'll just go to bed now and in the morning, can we pretend I didn't just say any of the above? :/ --YFB ¿  03:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries. Mak (talk)  03:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Oppose If even the nominator can't tell what's going on, the average user won't either. The flame blends in too much with the aerogel in this particular picture, and the caption in the Aerogel article isn't very descriptive. There are better alternatives for pictures: one of more than sufficient quality at Image:Aerogelflower.jpg, and another picture of a hand on an aerogel block, if someone can obtain and upload the higher quality version of it (the lower-res version is terrible). Phony Saint 04:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: There is a difference between the nominator (who liked the image) and the creator (the person to whom all questions should be directed). Also, the flame is easy to pick out because it contrasts sharply with the black background. I'll take a look at the other aerogel image shortly.  ~  Mag nus   an im um    (aka Steptrip) 16:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * As the nominator, you should be able to explain why the problems are trivial or do not affect its nomination. The creator has nothing to do with this nomination. Phony Saint 16:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. In that case, I'll rephrase my answer to the main question: The aerogel support is not the subject of the photo, and as such, it is trivial, but you can see it in the top-right hemisphere of the photo. Also, as you can see, I can answer almost all of the questions asked.  ~  Mag nus   an im um    (aka Steptrip) 03:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

MER-C 10:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose visually confusing (unlike ) —Pengo 22:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose Looks Photoshopped rather than an actual photo and thus fails in its encyclopaedic value.  C e n t y   13:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Fairly low quality, and though it's cool looking, the image is way confusing. Amphy 16:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)