Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/American icons 2

American icons 2
Voting period ends on 27 Jul 2011 at 16:23:40 (UTC)
 * Reason:This pic went through FPC back in 2006 and was not promoted primarily because it was deemed "cheesy." However, the test of time has shown the EV of this pic, as it has graced high visibility articles like United States for years. The article Cultural icon goes so far as to set it side by side with Coca Cola, Elvis Presley, and Marilyn Monroe as icons of the country. I'm requesting another evaluation of this pic as its composition is superb and its historical EV supports my feeling that the pic is not cheesy but instead warm and iconic.
 * Articles in which this image appears:United States (GA), Culture by region, Apple pie, Cultural icon, Americana, Cuisine of the Thirteen Colonies
 * FP category for this image:Culture and lifestyle
 * Creator:Scott Bauer


 * Support as nominator --—Eustress talk 16:23, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support because of the image's use in multiple articles, and the technical quality is good.  Pine (GreenPine)  t 17:37, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Just my artistic impression, but seems a bit gimmicky.  Also, rather have just a baseball rather than 3 objects of baseballness, rather have a slice of apple pie where we see apples, not top of a pie and 3 apples next to it.  Also, I think of something a bit grittier and Norman Rockwelly or Remingtonish as more American icon.  Plus it's missing the cowboy and indian and all that.TCO (reviews needed)  17:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see how your argument maps onto the FP criteria. Can you please help me make the connection? —Eustress talk 19:16, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Having an excess of objects (apples and pie, 3 baseball objects) is poor illustration. Not being gritty and being too clean is not illustrating the iconic frontier aspect of the country.  This is NOT a descriptive illustration, but intentionally a symbolic one.  I am quite fine with doing that, per se.  but then I can opine on how well the symbolic allusions are pulled off.  To me the average Chevy truck ad on NFL sunday games feels more iconically American.  It's just a data point.  But it's mine.  (I'm not going to do some wiki rule debate, criteria F-9 or the like...don't swing that way.  I try more to think about impact on the reader.)  Don't sweat it...if it is a great illo, you'll get the votes.  It's just my honest perspective on the piece from a reader standpoint.  Good luck! TCO (reviews needed)  19:26, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * P.s. I voted for hot Hayley, so I've been in your corner before...TCO (reviews needed)  19:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * One thing is not like the others, and that's the apple pie. Not associated with the US outside the country. Baseball, Coke, Elvis, Marilyn, yes, those are. 146.232.75.208 (talk) 23:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "| American as apple pie" 75.41.110.200 (talk) 00:17, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose The EV isn't there even though it is used in multiple articles. I feel the picture needn't be there, its just been inserted there. Hariya1234 (talk) 04:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose as above. Not at all convinced about the EV of this. J Milburn (talk) 14:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose Pure kitsch. Saffron Blaze (talk) 18:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Where do "kitsch" appear in the Featured picture criteria? Can kitsch not be featurable? This is supposed to be about encylopedic value and high quality, not subject matter, I think. Rmhermen (talk) 20:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: What is the value in contrived sentimentality? Saffron Blaze (talk) 00:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Presuming that is a response to my comment, I would ask: Where does "contrived sentimentality" appear in the Featured picture criteria? Can contrived sentimentality not be featurable? Rmhermen (talk) 03:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah...grasshoppa...you needed to use it to illustrate "kitsch". ;-)  TCO (reviews needed)  03:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 00:11, 28 July 2011 (UTC)