Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Arborophila rufogularis - Doi Inthanon.jpg

Rufous-throated Partridge
Voting period ends on 2 Jul 2013 at 09:37:01 (UTC)
 * Reason:High quality photo taken at the top of Thailand's highest mountain, Doi Inthanon. The tail behind the tree evinces the shy nature. I took this photo by waiting strategically in freezing-19-°C temperatures with a hide after spotting a small flock.
 * Articles in which this image appears:Rufous-throated Partridge
 * FP category for this image: Featured pictures/Animals/Birds
 * Creator:JJ Harrison


 * Support as nominator --JJ Harrison (talk) 09:37, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose While the quality is good, ultimately the bird is missing a tail and its feet, which is too much in my mind to be featured. Also, the shy nature of the bird isn't discussed in the article and even if it were, I'd be inclined to say that this would still be a bird standing behind a tree more than hiding or exhibiting some sort of self-evident behaviour. Cowtowner (talk) 10:33, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Prefer a picture that shows the full bird. Feet still acceptable, but tail part is totally missing in pic. Arctic Kangaroo  (  ✉  •  ✎  ) 15:21, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Call me nuts but I get to claim righteous ignorance here. I like birds and most of the time, I don't give a damn about the tail. Perhaps EV is hiding behind the tree, but perhaps not. Until a better picture comes along (good luck), I find this photograph to be eye-catching and kind of cool. I don't get the "shy" feeling from this image either, but the bird appears to be on its way to work, unlike other photographs where they're just sort of staring like they're in a coma. So the subtle sense of action kind of makes up for the lack of tail. As a bird layperson, I think this has EV. – Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 06:37, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You might not give a damn about the tail, but the encyclopedia does. In a photograph like this not showing the whole animal inevitably diminishes the EV. It leaves the question (and it sounds ridiculous) "How does the bird end?" unanswered. Cowtowner (talk) 23:05, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The pedant in me feels the need to point out that no photo can show more than 50% of an animal. Anyway, why is it that the parts obscured in the 'bird on stick' case are rarely worried about? The person likely to be reading the article would be most concerned with plumage features used to identify it. The tail is not important to differentiate it from other members of the genus. JJ Harrison (talk) 02:57, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd point out in reply that most animals are pretty symmetrical, so 50% is sufficient. If by bird on stick, you mean perched, I'd say (and having looked through your FP uploads) that they're usually much less obscured than this one. 99% (if not all) of your previous bird FPs and the ones in the gallery purporting to be body shots have their tails. As for the person reading this article, they'd firstly be likely frustrated by the fact that it is rather stubby and then maybe kind of concerned that the bird is missing its stub. The gist of this is that I think a bird missing its tail is diminished in its EV and out of line with the standards that have been established for this kind of picture, in part due to the fact that your other contributions have set an exemplary and high standard. Cowtowner (talk) 04:40, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Support Tomer T (talk) 14:42, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose Great picture, good quality, but more artistic than encyclopedic. The full bird must be showing. Don't get me wrong, there is value to this image, but is it one of the finest images on the English Wikipedia? No. This subject could be executed better.Indefatigable2 (talk) 11:21, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

--Armbrust The Homunculus 09:38, 2 July 2013 (UTC)