Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Atelopus certus

Atelopus certus
Voting period ends on 16 Jul 2010 at 11:40:38 (UTC)
 * Reason:Very nice image of a pretty little creature in its natural environment, exhibiting typical behaviour. Already a featured picture on Commons.
 * Articles in which this image appears:Atelopus certus, Atelopus
 * FP category for this image:Amphibians
 * Creator:Brian Gratwicke = User:Brian.gratwicke


 * Support as nominator --J Milburn (talk) 11:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * For the record, I'm also happy to support the crop. I have no preference. J Milburn (talk) 23:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Someone else might mention lead room, but I'd support this more if it were cropped so more focus was put on the frog. --I′d※&lt;3※Ɵɲɛ (talk) 13:05, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm really not seeing why a crop is necessary, but you're welcome to provide one if you want. J Milburn (talk) 13:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think a crop would be an improvement because less out of focus rock would be included. I would do this cropping myself, but am sure it would cause people to vote against it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:41, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Seriously, no way of telling when a crop will be supported or not, some people just don't know what they want. I suppose as-is this has a poster-esque quality to it, the extra area in the right tells you that the frog is calling out to the distance, but on the bottom there's a bit of foreground blurring on the image's left and to the frog's left and rear, kind of reminds me of this photo I thought about nominating or bringing to peer review. I just tend to think a pictures that's all about its subject, especially when it's in really good quality is better; If the blackness around the frog didn't help to suggest something about the frog I wouldn't see a point for it. --I′d※&lt;3※Ɵɲɛ (talk) 22:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There is always the 1 in 115 or so chance they may like something unusual.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support as is. I think the composition works better this way with room in front of the subject. --99of9 (talk) 00:45, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Edit1 added. The extra room at bottom and right doesn't work so well given that it's so tight at the top, IMO, thus offering cropped version. --jjron (talk) 01:11, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: not that being featured on Commons or not matters a damn, and shouldn't really be included in these reasons either way, but FWIW this image has no suggestion that it's a Commons FP. --jjron (talk) 01:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC) Have found a Commons nom but it appears to still be well and truly open, so isn't really right to claim that it's featured. --jjron (talk) 01:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I do apologise, that's very much my mistake. J Milburn (talk) 01:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support edit I am officially giving your edit the kiss of death by supporting it as better without the abundance of blurred rock on the right and in the foreground.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers. :-) --jjron (talk) 05:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support edit Gut Monk (talk) 16:45, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Question Why so dark? Makeemlighter (talk) 03:48, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the background? I'd say it was fairly dark, and that the flash was close to the subject (i.e., probably camera mounted, with the camera quite near the frog) - those conditions can basically make the background black. Even though I did the edit, I'm still a little undecided due to the rather harsh flash reflections. --jjron (talk) 09:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna say the obvious; I'm not trying to be a dick, so please don't take it like that. Because it's nighttime? J Milburn (talk) 10:16, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hahaha! xD Funny, but according to Atelopus they're diurnal. --I′d※&lt;3※Ɵɲɛ (talk) 10:40, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Looking at other photos in the set, it was clearly coming on nighttime by the time this was taken. Alternatively, this could be just because of the gloom in the woodland. (That said, from my experience, though you'll see frogs and toads during the day, if they're mating [which is what I interpret by "calling male"] they come out at night and make a hell of a noise- I'm not an expert, I'm just going by what I've seen/heard.) J Milburn (talk) 10:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You might be onto something, it does look like it's might be sounding its croak call. --I′d※&lt;3※Ɵɲɛ (talk) 18:51, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 18:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Only 4 total supports. Makeemlighter (talk) 18:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)