Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Banana

Banana
Voting period ends on 7 Sep 2010 at 11:01:40 (UTC)
 * Reason:High quality, excellent EV.
 * Articles in which this image appears:Banana
 * FP category for this image:Food and drink
 * Creator:Fir0002


 * Support as nominator -- WackyWace  converse 11:01, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Is there any way of knocking the contrast down a bit? it's too light for me - it's hard to see where the fruit ends in the half peeled part... gaz hiley .co.uk  12:11, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose The English-language Wikipedia is frequented by individuals who’ve seen bananas like this before. It is not Warhol-like. It is bananas. Not eye-catching. Greg L (talk) 17:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We have featured many images of fruits in the same kind of format like this before. Cowtowner (talk) 20:19, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm… I don’t think I was part of any of those. I could support an unusual fruit, for instance, one that has long been popular in South America but isn’t generally known in the English-speaking world or tends to be a niche product. An encyclopedia is a place of learning; wasting POTD space for a peeled banana doesn’t seem best and ranks right up there with “Here’s a picture of a cloud that looks like a Valentines-day card.”; been there – done that. Greg L (talk) 20:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus Greg, we've discussed this already... THIS IS NOT A POTD VOTING PAGE! Please base your opinions on the standard of the picture, the quality of the photography, it's EV in the ARTICLES (again not just whether it is POTD suitable)... Let the guy that does the POTD pick whether it's good enough for POTD... You've been told many times now about this... Please learn from the helpful comments...  gaz hiley .co.uk  21:13, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Feigning exasperation does not make your fallacious beliefs true. If you aren’t feigning for effect, then your rant just highlights your inability to understand the facts—not wise. Or is your display of exasperation intended to signal that you fancy yourself as a big fish in a little pond and can take the *slow ones* to task? Note also that SHOUTING does not instill the *faith* necessary to accept falsehoods as true; it just makes you look ill-tempered. Earth calling gazhiley: Yes what we vote here all ends up as Featured Picture Of the Day on the Main Page. Other than the 16 images Howcheng has so-far pulled out as unsuitable, everything that achieves FP status here adds to queue, which is now numbering over 400. Here is a sample of the >400-entry queue. Count ‘em. Recognize some of them? How do you think Howcheng’s queue got so big? Haven’t you noticed a connection between “Featured Picture Candidates” and “Today’s Featured Picture”? Quoting you: Let the guy that does the POTD pick whether it's good enough for POTD. Wouldn’t that be nice if he was so selective? But he isn’t; the 400-entry queue simply means it will take a l-o-n-g time for the picture to appear as a “Today’s Featured Picture”, but it will be there—over a year from now. Don’t believe me? Well, read Howcheng’s own words, where he explains that pictures that were awarded FP-status a long time ago have to work their way through the whole darn queue ; he isn’t weeding out hardly anything at all—just topless chicks and other brain-damaged stuff we passed along. Reading that made me realize how we are depriving newcomers of the opportunity to quickly see their FP-awarded pictures on the Main Page. Unfortunate. The other value-added Howcheng brings to the process is he (attempts to) spread the types of pictures around so our excessive bird pictures and whatnot don’t appear too often in a row. Howcheng certainly isn’t going to pull out this “banana” picture and add it as #17 of the ones unsuitable for ever appearing on “Today’s Featured Picture ”; he’ll just muse about how a half-dozen volunteer contributors who were active in late August of 2010 thought it a swell idea to show our visiting I.P. readership what a banana looks like. There is no need to add a peeled banana to the queue. And try also to read my above vote comment. Notice the part where I wrote about how everyone has seen bananas and therefore I find that it is “Not eye-catching”? Therefore, it is not, IMO, worthy of FP status. It is not worthy of being on the Main Page; not when there are hundreds of thousands of other interesting subjects few of us are familiar with that we can be exposed to. As I also wrote above, just an unusual fruit hardly anyone has heard of before—and maybe also looks unusual—might work for me (if it is also a well done picture). P.S. By the way, the next time you are tempted to conclude a post with You've been told many times now about this... Please learn from the helpful comments..., try getting your facts straight, it looks less foolish that way. And it takes up less of my time because it is easy and quick to write falsehoods like “The Apollo moon landings were faked.” It takes (*sigh*) patience and time to craft language that works like a foil to cut the logic-suspenders of such posts so the other guy’s trousers fall to his ankles and everyone can see his knobby knees of nattering nonsense. Greg L (talk) 22:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Greg, don't take offense to this, but you seem to be in the wrong project. Your main concern has consistently been POTD, which is a separate project for FP. Maybe it would be worthwhile to ask Howcheng if he wants some help in selecting images for the front page and see if you can implement changes over on POTD rather than belligerently trying to enforce your own criteria here? You're more than welcome to vote here, but please focus on the image not on a large queue (a basis on which every image could be opposed). I think it would save everyone a little heartache and might actually improve Wikipedia. Cowtowner (talk) 23:41, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Don’t take offense, but you seem not to have comprehended on single thing I wrote above. So I won’t bother anymore as your mind seems set in stone now. Goodbye. Greg L (talk) 01:35, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Look, Greg, there is no need to get hot and bothered about this. I am only suggesting a way that balances your interests with the purpose of the projects here. As it stands, while all FPs do make it to the main page the place to implement changes to reduce a queue is over at POTD. There is no reason why our best work ought not include bananas and ought only have dragon fruits. Whether or not they appear on the main page is not something we decide here. If you think newcomers are being deprived or the situation is unjust go through the paths of least resistance to change it. Vigilantism on FPC won't help your cause. As for minds being set in stone, having read your posts I think you had best linger on that statement for a moment. Cowtowner (talk) 06:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I’m not “hot & bothered”, Cowtowner. Your suggestion that I am is a classic debate stunt that hopes to diminish the credibility of the other party by posturing yourself as riding in; all tall, dark & handsome; as a wise voice of reason. Fortunately, you undercut that objective by writing Vigilantism on FPC won't help your cause, which is patent nonsense and amounts to yet another attempt at posturing—an pallid attempt to paint yourself as a big fish in a small pond. Just pardon me all over the place, but I don’t think a picture of a peeled banana is eye-catching. I’ll thank you to not presume to dictate to me what I may think and how I may express that opinion here. You apparently think a picture of a peeled banana is eye-catching. I don’t. I voted and stated my reasoning that it didn’t meet that critical FP criteria. Greg L (talk) 16:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * While I resent that you think I am merely posturing here, I suppose there's nothing I can do to change your mind about that. I would like to clarify two things about what I have said: Firstly, I don't take issue with the fact that you don't consider a banana eye-catching, I take issue with the fact that your argument revolves around this image appearing on the main page through POTD (and to a lesser extent that it discriminates based on subject matter, which is not in the FP criteria). Secondly, my suggestion that you try to help Howcheng and change the system over at POTD instead of trying to do it at the grass-roots level here was made in earnest with good intentions. If there is a problem, then trying to fix it there would seem the most reasonable and simplest way to do so. Please, don't write it off as an effort to drive you out. That's not my intent. Cowtowner (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Greg, you say "I could support an unusual fruit, for instance, one that has long been popular in South America but isn’t generally known in the English-speaking world or tends to be a niche product." Do you not realise the implication here? "I've seen it before, so it can't be good". What's commonplace to you may not be to me. What's commonplace to us may not be to someone else. Yes, the encyclopedia is written in English, but it's not written from a Western POV. That's no better than the kind of person who nominates articles for deletion saying "well, I've never heard of it". J Milburn (talk)
 * Quoting you: Do you not realise the implication here? Yeah, everyone knows what a bloody banana is. Before you wrap yourself any further in the flag-of-wholesome goodness (“Let’s celebrate diversity” and “We are the world” stuff), go find an English-speaking person who doesn’t know what a banana is. Let me know when you find one. Pardon me if I don’t hold my breath while you search under rocks for one of those. And while you’re doing that, perhaps you can contact the people behind the rarefruit.com web site. Those idiots have such a non-politically correct, Western-centric view of the world and need to your enlightenment. They probably used a simple metric, like “Banana shipments: one trillion tons to English-speaking countries” vs. “Pitaya shipments: one hundred tons to English-speaking countries.” You can accuse them of using “hatestatistics”. Tell them how that “can’t be good.”  Greg L (talk) 01:35, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We're not rarefruit.com, we're Wikipedia. It's not our job to cover "rare" fruit, it's our job to cover damn near everything. This is nothing to do with political correctness. An argument can also be made that this is something of which people are far more likely to be appreciative than a pitaya. You'll note I agree that this image shouldn't be featured, but I hate poor arguments whereever I see them... I'm sure there are plenty of people who are far more familiar with pitayas than bananas, and there will certainly be parts of the world (I'm not buying your "English speaking world" argument- again, we're in the English language, not from the "English point of view") where a banana is an unfamiliar sight. J Milburn (talk) 11:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * …it's our job to cover damn near everything. Say… now I know how your mind works. Thanks for your compelling “we are the world” argument. Greg L (talk) 16:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "We are the world"- what? It is our job to cover "damn near everything". You may want to familiarise yourself with the concept of an encyclopedia. J Milburn (talk) 19:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose; I like these kind of shots, but this one's really not screaming "FP" at me. J Milburn (talk) 20:26, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * For my benefit, would you please elaborate? Cowtowner (talk) 23:41, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Overexposure, muted colours, poor composition. This is a very repeatable shot, I'd really want to see better to support it. J Milburn (talk) 00:20, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree in a sense. I think that it's a little too contrasty, but the muted colours and lightness are really a consequence of the fact that bananas are white and yellow. Cowtowner (talk) 05:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * As a followup, looking at the image again, I think that I'll make my support a weak one. Cowtowner (talk) 06:40, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support As for the Fruits section of Featured Pictures this will definitely fit in there nice and comfortably. This one isn't very artistic or pretty, but it is somewhat scientific. If a better one come along we can just replace with that one. -- I'ḏ ♥  One  21:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * (Weak) Support per nom. The colours could be improved especially when this is something we can replace. It may be interesting, too, to have an image displaying many types of bananas like we have for carrots (if anyone is up for putting that together). Cowtowner (talk) 23:42, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support It's a nice shot and describes a banana well, but I agree with gazhiley that it's rather too light (especially the white part of the banana). Esther Clementina   talk  03:20, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak opppse Not really happy with the colours, and given sliced bananas are used in a lot of food, I think I'd like to see a transverse section as well. Playing with arrangement might be good too - it seems to ask for vertical stacking of the lengthwise cuts, even though that would normally be unusual. Adam Cuerden (talk) 07:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Opposeper J Milburn. --Dschwen 14:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2010 (UTC)