Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Battle of the Moniter and Merrimac

Battle of the Monitor and the Merrimac
Voting period ends on 7 May 2015  at 03:04:07 (UTC)
 * Reason:A high-res image of an important moment in history is shown here: the battle between the Monitor and the Merrimac (at the time operating under the designation CSS Virgina). This was the first time in history that ironclad warships (forerunners of the modern day battleship) ever fought each other, and the technological advances both ships brought to the battle single handedly rendered all existing military ships still using sails and/or wooden hulls obsolete. So unexpected were these technological advancements that neither ship could best the other, resulting in draw between the two ships.
 * Articles in which this image appears:Battle of Hampton Roads, CSS Virginia, Confederate war finance, History of Virginia, Ironclad warship, Naval warfare, Steamboat, USS Monitor
 * FP category for this image:Featured pictures/History/American Civil War
 * Creator:Louis Prang & Co.; lithograph signed "Jo Davidson"


 * Support as nominator – TomStar81 (Talk) 03:04, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose With CSS crop now available, there's no reason to remove the border. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:53, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * CSS crop? Sca (talk) 12:36, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Template:CSS image crop. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Tried to correct spelling "Moniter" in page title above, using move, but found I didn't have permission. Sca (talk) 14:33, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't worry too much about it, I've personal declared my spelling to be god-awful, so this sort of spelling fubar is somewhat expected from me :) TomStar81 (Talk) 00:39, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, you're OK – at least you can spell fubar (but, can you spell snafu?) . Sca (talk) 13:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Support – I confess I don't understand the technical objection raised by Crisco, but if that can be resolved – I like the painting & bleve it has EV (according to the article, parts of this technically significant battle did take place at very close range). Sca (talk) 13:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Not a painting, but a lithograph. The original shows what's missing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:17, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah! Well, aesthetically, I don't see any objection to removing the borders – which was done routinely done with a large series of Adam's FPCs of turn-of-the-century German warship postcards in the last year or so. Sca (talk) 13:48, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose: It really does matter: without the borders it's not reproduceable in the original form. It's not so bad when an optimised crop is done, and the original is available, or if the border has no information on it, but the L. Prang images have captions. Also, it still has a lot of damage, and - I believe - has been scaled down. That's a 210 megabyte original; I'd expect a bit bigger, even with the crop (I could be wrong there, though). Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:03, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, Adam, I defer to your technical knowledge & w/draw my support. Sca (talk) 14:49, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I can all but guarantee that this is a scaled down image since the restrictions placed on image uploading would not permit the tiff version of the source page (which is the highest resolution available) to be uploaded here. Either of the two jpg/jpeg version could work, I suppose, but both of those versions do have damage issues that would make them unsuitable at the moment as FPC candidates. I would be of the mind to count this one for its color and slight restoration, although I had not realized at the time that the bord and crop problem would be a major let down for this image here. I'll have to be more careful about that in the future. TomStar81 (Talk) 20:49, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, the originals CAN be uploaded, but you need to use the Upload Wizard, or install a gadget on Commons. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:29, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Right. The current maximum upload size is 1 gb. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:45, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * For instance, I uploaded Night of the Living Dead earlier today. That's a 750 mb file. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:59, 30 April 2015 (UTC)


 * comment the scale between the two ships is off (Merrimac should be significantly larger than the Monitor). The ships didn't really render HMS Warrior and Gloire obsolete. That aside its a famous image in its own right.©Geni (talk) 16:26, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

--Armbrust The Homunculus 03:06, 7 May 2015 (UTC)