Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Beth Phoenix

Beth Phoenix

 * Reason:It is an excellent image of Beth Phoenix, a professional wrestler, at a live WWE event. The image clearly identifies the subject, and her on the turnbuckle accurately represents her character as it is a trademark part of her ring entrance.
 * Proposed caption:WWE Diva Beth Phoenix on the corner turnbuckle at the WWE No Mercy 2007 pay-per-view event before her match for the WWE Women's Championship against Candice Michelle.
 * Articles this image appears in:Beth Phoenix
 * Creator:Myself


 * Support as nominator Mshake3 02:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Support - An expertly taken picture. Gavyn Sykes 02:48, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose Well taken, but on the verge of being too small to be eligible. With a weak point like that the composition's gotta be remarkable, and while it's good it doesn't grab me like an FP should. SingCal 04:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose Noisy. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 05:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose It's sort of an interesting pose, except for the post between her legs, and the feet cut off, and she isn't doing any "wrestly" things (unless you count the post) -- so it's less WP:ENC. It's just barely large enough and it is a little noisy. Maybe if it were larger and sharper and more complete ... --Dhartung | Talk 05:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment It was cropped and reduced in size a bit, so maybe I can just upload the original, although that would bring into view the ring announcer and a referee (but then she'll have legs again!). Mshake3 05:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I rather like it, and don't have an 'enc' problem with her not doing 'wrestly' things - I mean this is a 'wrestly' thing as part of her ring entrance, it's not like it's just a shot of her backstage or up the street or something. Having said that it is all cropped rather too tight, including the missing feet. Please do upload a less cropped version - if it shows the ring announcer, etc, that may not be an issue (depending on whether or not they spoil the photo) as that is also part of the ring entrance. The other problem I see is that it is very soft, I wonder if the focus wasn't just slightly off, or at 1/30s, quite likely motion blur given that it seems to mainly be a problem around her head. --jjron 06:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you sure you can release this photo (and the others you've taken) under a free license? Events like this typically restrict commercial photography. Check the back of the ticket for the details. (See Featured picture candidates/20070616 Chris Young visits Wrigley (4).JPG for a similar case). MER-C 06:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Based on what I read down there, the issue was resolved, which is what I was waiting for before nominating my photo. If you still believe it's an issue, then fair enough. Mshake3 14:36, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Here's the original file, which was rotated and nothing more. Mshake3 14:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Just not striking- for someone famous for doing something she's not actually doing it -- ⁪ffroth 19:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well it's currently an infobox image, so that's why she's not really doing anything. Now the general opinion here is that a wrestler should be doing something for the photo to be notable. Mshake3 19:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I just think she should be doing something for the picture to be featured. As is, it's not very interesting except as illustration for the article on her. An FP needs something above and beyond the ordinary and I don't find it here. --Dhartung | Talk 00:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I find these opposes based on her not doing anything or not wrestling rather biased. Looking through the People FPs, very few of them are 'doing' what they're famous for. Politicians aren't politicking, actors aren't acting, etc - most are just standard portrait shots. By all means oppose the picture based on its merits, but that she's not in the midst of action is not a valid reason (unless you want to put all the others up for delist). --jjron 05:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well yeah but they're just generic famous people; she's a famous wrestler- few would even recognize her if she's not in wrestling context -- ⁪ffroth 06:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And is sitting on the top turnbuckle, in a wrestling ring, clearly during a wrestling event, not a wrestling context? (Look, I'll grant she's no really big name star, and on technical grounds I don't think this is quite there, but this picture does give her context.) --jjron 08:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well it gives the context of wrestling as a noun sure, but she's known for actually wrestling and IMO for such a small-time star that extra element of enc is critical -- ⁪ffroth 01:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose Not dynamic enough for a 'sports' picture, Not well enough composed for a portrait (looking up at subject, poor lighting, ect.) -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 12:20, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose due to composition. The placement of that corner pole is unfortunate. Spikebrennan 14:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose simply for technical shortcomings; as far as the pose and positioning go, I think they're entirely appropriate for the subject. Matt Deres 01:16, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose Pole is distracting. -- Shark face  217  22:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

MER-C 02:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)