Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Bridge in Central Park

Bridge in Central Park

 * Reason:It is a FP in Commons (nom here) the subject seems to be important as it is used as example of a view of Central Park and as architectural style. Personally I like that the subject is not presented in the usual way for Wikipedia. The subject is not isolated by the frame, or the color, or the DOF but by a tree that is also mimicking its shape. Thanks to Elekhh for bringing it to our attention. Note: I don't think the existence of this image limits in no way the other nomination of a picture of this bridge.
 * Articles this image appears in:Central Park, List of National Historic Landmarks in New York City
 * Creator:Jet Lowe


 * Support as nominator --  franklin   05:47, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I think that the tree is under exposure. --Xavigivax (talk) 10:42, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose This really isn't a picture of the bridge or a picture of the tree. It needs to illustrate something for it to have enc. Noodle snacks (talk) 11:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess Lowe and I disagree on this point. It is just that it is a smart way of presenting the subject. It is true that the tree takes most of the picture but you simply can't look at it. The gaze is pulled to the bridge (and that's part of the brilliant composition). The other part is the fact that the shapes are related. I think (even if this picture doesn't get promoted) that more FP should try to introduce non common ways of presenting the subject. No for not being a frontal, or a trivial isolation of the subject (through color, or DOF or simply because there is nothing else in the picture) or a schematic picture is not giving all the elements of the bridge, its relation with is ambient or not catching the viewer's attention (and catching it to what is important). Against the first oppose I can't say nothing. It is possible that the tree is indeed underexposed. Maybe it was necessary to achieve the purpose of the picture but that much I don't know.  franklin   11:26, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Also this picture was done for the Historic American Engineering Record. I think such a pictures would be precisely encyclopedic. They should show the subject such as it is, in a non misleading way.  Usually architectural elements are or should have a nice relation to its environment . The fact that this tree is so related to this bridge makes it part of its architecture. Lowe has a name in this area, which doesn't imply he screwed up this one, but, at least, I (Mr. no one) don't see a mistake this time.   franklin   11:47, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Just because it was taken by Jet Lowe for the HAER does not imply it has strong enc. As far as I can tell this was as well, and it really isn't useful for anything. Perhaps the image might find enc in Jet Lowe? The golden gate bridge image there is really not anything special (I prefer this image). Noodle snacks (talk) 00:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * What can I say? That image is indeed useful but is completely out of topic and context. When you are addressing a subject usually you take pictures that show it as a whole (if possible), in its context, and pictures to show relevant details. This picture is one of those and as a member of a collection or a sequence it is useful. It is just that is taken out of context. The one in the nomination is one that shows the subject as a whole, even more, integrated to its environment. That tree is part of the bridge (its architecture) in some sense and is there as a necessary element of the bridge and also as a resource for isolating the subject of the photograph.


 * I agree this picture is not as good as it could be. The bridge can be more in focus for instance. But my main interest with this nomination was to assess the current opinion of the reviewers on FPs having a slightly different approach. Right now most of the user-created FPs are a display of technical skills. It would be good (I think) if on top of that more FPs come with the extra value of some more elaboration from the part of the photographer. How to say this? For instance, for this bridge a picture could have been taken right in front of it close enough to not risking missing any detail, the plain an simple portrait of the bridge. Instead the photographer decided for his own view. A personal intension and reflexion is leaved in the creation. Such a thing (if it doesn't go as far a misrepresenting the subject) I think is very desirable for a FP. That's why I wanted to encourage the picture makers do try this and to see how ready are the reviewers to start having nominations of this nature.  franklin   01:33, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Noodlesnacks. -- mcshadypl T C  00:53, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 01:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)