Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Canada Goose -Branta canadensis.JPG

Canadian goose
Voting period ends on 20 Aug 2010 at 22:56:42 (UTC)
 * Reason:Quality image on Wikimedia Commons, highly encyclopedic.
 * Articles in which this image appears:Canadian Goose
 * FP category for this image:Animals/Birds
 * Creator:The High Fin Sperm Whale


 * Support as nominator --The High Fin Sperm Whale 22:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This isn't even the article's lead image- what's its purpose? What's it adding to the article? J Milburn (talk) 23:04, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Yet another bird. Shall we strive for some diversity? This is more than about “is this photograph *nice*?”, we’re partly deciding what goes to POTD and we’re saturating the queue with one bird photo after another. There has to be a spectacular buddhist template in Thailand that was captured with an awesome photograph. Something. Anything other than more bird and Chicago pictures.  Greg L (talk) 02:49, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you think we should outright request a temporary stop on bird images? Or only request very, very rare ones then? -- I'ḏ ♥  One  02:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I suppose if it is going to be another bird photo, we ought to be looking for extra* special, really high quality. Last I heard, Howcheng was really inundated in them and was trying to spread them around. Greg L (talk) 03:39, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Will you please stop worrying about PotD? There's nothing in our criteria that say we shouldn't feature things similar to/related to images we have already featured. If it means we have a lot of bird images that don't reach the main page in forever, then that's no big deal, but we shouldn't be denying the star to an image that warrants it for images related to PotD. If you really don't want an image to be PotD for whatever reason, there's always the exemption list. Obviously, in this case, I agree with your conclusion, but that doesn't mean that I agree with your reasoning. J Milburn (talk) 08:50, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support It just says it has to illustrate the article to have EV, doesn't say it has to be in the taxobox. This one is sharper than that one also. I like this, seems the goose is trying to beat the heat, but let me see if anyone besides me will think the sharpness and quality is high enough for a bird image. -- I'ḏ ♥  One  02:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've seen you make this mistake on many occasions. Just because this is an image of the bird in an article on the bird, does not mean it has EV. To have encyclopedic value, an image must add something to an article, not merely be in it. As we already have another image showing what this one does which is given higher priority in the article, the EV of this one is not clear. J Milburn (talk) 08:44, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I get where you're coming from, but what I mean by "EV" is "is the image relevant to the article?" If it is, then, yes, I would say is that it does have EV if only because it has a connection to the article and is a good, realistic depiction of the topic - The article is the encyclopedia the image is of value because it shows something related to the topic, it "adds 1,000 words" and the photographer/creator's experience. What you're saying sounds more like rarity and value of image, which is definitely important to keep in mind, I even said something like that recently here, but to me it's not the same as "encyclopedic value," unless perhaps it is one of the only images available because then it is one of the only visual demonstrations to the reader, and it must be presumed the reader will have no background knowledge of the topic or will have ever seen whatever the topic is or where it is, what have you. If an image isn't placed or captioned nicely enough it can be moved, resized and have its caption rephrased very easily, and generally a case can be made for a number of decent or better quality images that they're the best one depending on many issues, so that shouldn't factor into deciding if an image can be said to have encyclopedic value. As for me I was satisfied with how the nominated pic was placed, not that I won't admit the page was a bit cluttered with nice, well-meaning photographs. -- I'ḏ ♥  One  17:21, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The point was that it was adding very little to the article. We already had a lead image for the whole "this is what the bird looks like" job. You say that "If an image isn't placed or captioned nicely enough it can be moved, resized and have its caption rephrased very easily, and generally a case can be made for a number of decent or better quality images that they're the best one depending on many issues, so that shouldn't factor into deciding if an image can be said to have encyclopedic value", but that is simply wrong. We can only judge encyclopedic value in context- we can't say "oh, well, I'm sure it could be very educational"- that's what Commons FP is for. First and formost, we are judging how much an image adds to the article in which it is used, not how much it could hypothetically add to any article. J Milburn (talk) 12:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment without noticing that this image was at FPC, or thinking that it was high quality (especially compared to the other images at this page), I just removed this from Canada Goose, which is a small, poor article cluttered with images, most of which little illustrate the bird's behaviour. My opinion, for whatever it is worth, is that there is nothing exceptional about this photo, especially compared to other images of single birds from the side that have been favoured for the article's taxobox. &mdash;innotata 19:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral Generally speaking, it's a goose. Gut Monk (talk) 23:39, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * A fine observation. -- I'ḏ ♥  One  01:04, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: As this has not been used in the article space for a couple of days, perhaps this should be withdrawn/closed? J Milburn (talk) 10:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose: Parts of the goose fade into the light textured background, especially the breast and white area of the neck.  A contrasting color background would be better, IMO. --Catofgrey (talk) 18:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 02:40, 21 August 2010 (UTC)