Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Chopin polonaise Op. 53.jpg

Chopin polonaise Op. 53
Voting period ends on 20 Oct 2010 at 01:54:40 (UTC)
 * Reason:High resolution of rare autograph partiture, Commons Featured Picture, adds significantly to two Chopin articles
 * Articles in which this image appears:Frédéric Chopin Polonaise in A flat, Op. 53 (Chopin)
 * FP category for this image:History, Drawings
 * Creator:Frédéric Chopin


 * Support as nominator --Scewing (talk) 01:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Excellent scan, adds significant value to to the article.  Jujutacular  talk 04:40, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support enthusiastically. Really, really good and interesting.   Mae din\ talk 11:28, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - this is the kind of thing I love. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:55, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What? Oppose this is a good image BUT it needs some restoration before deserving the featured status. Nergaal (talk) 16:47, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to list a few: remove yellow background, remove right and top edges that are from other pages, and perhaps remove the faded imprint from what looks like a page stored for a long time on the top of this one. Nergaal (talk) 16:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree; this does not need restoration work. This is not like printed material or artwork that one would expect to find pristine and well-kept (because the assumption is that it was once in excellent condition and intended to remain so).  For all we know, the paper he scribbled this piece on could well have been very similar to this at the time he composed it.  Restoring it to make it look white, uncreased, unstained, etc would just be . . . wrong.  It wouldn't be Chopin's polonaise anymore.  It would be like featuring a handwritten letter by someone famous, but digitally removing the crease from where it had been folded in the envelope . . . why?  That's part of the whole point.   Mae din\ talk 17:24, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine, but what about cropping the pages in the background (top and right edges are consistent of pages that are not this one). Plus, I don't understand what is wrong with removing the yellow tint. Nergaal (talk) 19:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Regarding removing the yellow tint, to remove the yellow tint would be like taking a photograph of a red coloured Ferrari and "adjusting the white balance" until the car appears grey and neutral. Simply wrong. The subject in question was this colour to begin with, and we should not alter that. However, if the yellow colour comes from, say, the scanner, rather than the original document, then of course we should correct for that (but that is not the case).Purpy Pupple (talk) 22:16, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That is a good point. How about the edges? Nergaal (talk) 00:19, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Cropping to a straight line would really destroy the effect of the image. Plus the pages underneath that appear on some of the edges are not at all a problem in my opinion, why 'fix' them? In approaching any potential restoration, you must look at how much you can really change an image versus the reward you're getting from it. In this instance, it would be very difficult to get any sort of value back from digital manipulation.  Jujutacular  talk 19:22, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support, absolutely. I agree with Maedin on the issue of restoration. J Milburn (talk) 17:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As an aside, I'd say this belongs in Entertainment, rather than drawings or history. J Milburn (talk) 17:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support, and oppose any "restored" version. It is appropriate to retouch a photograph, poster, or print, which is an imperfect representation of an original.  It is not appropriate to restore any original document, such as a painting or, in this case, a hand-written manuscript.  This is an artifact of the past, and our obligation is to record the way it comes down to us, not try to resurrect (futilely) what it once might have looked like. Chick Bowen 19:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support  Wackywace  converse 20:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support for only this original version. The yellow tint should not be removed, and neither should it be cropped. This polonaise is a triumph of human culture; I really like Chopin's music. Purpy Pupple (talk) 22:16, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support 1 more support to cancel out that oppose above.  upstate NYer  00:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per above --  mcshadypl  TC 05:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per Chick Bowen.  Very cool viewed full screen.  Great find. Fletcher (talk) 03:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 02:39, 20 October 2010 (UTC)