Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Columba livia

Columba livia

 * Reason:Good technical quality, excllent EV, though the image is of relatively low resolution. It is an FP on Commons.
 * Articles this image appears in: Rock Pigeon, Cere
 * Creator: User:Dori (of Commons]]


 * Support as nominator -- Elucidate ( light up ) 17:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm undecided. My gut feeling is that it doesn't show enough of the bird. This is an extremely common animal - probably the most visible and plentiful bird (in cities, at least) in the world, and I would imagine we should be able to get a similar quality image of the entire bird, not just the head. That said, we did recently feature the head of a rooster... Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But the rooster was used in articles like Comb (anatomy) and Wattle (anatomy). I wonder what the white thing on the pigeon's beak is called? Noodle snacks (talk) 00:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's called a cere which redirects to beak. Cere isn't synonymous with beak so probably could have it's own article... Benjamint 05:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have written an article on the cere. It's still quite rough, but I'm working on it. Elucidate ( light up ) 18:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Weak support The old taxobox picture was better imo (btw you didn't change the caption in the article). The strong light makes the iridescense hard to see, and too little of the bird is visible. Narayanese (talk) 18:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've changed the images around a bit, and fixed the caption. My mistake. Elucidate ( light up ) 10:14, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Much better. Whil it's not a superb image of the bird, it does show the distict beak well. Narayanese (talk) 02:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

--Wronkiew (talk) 04:15, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Question Has this image been sharpened? Papa Lima Whiskey  (talk) 23:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I would be interested in how people compare this image to this image: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Common_Pigeon_Portrait.jpg Tomfriedel (talk) 05:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm going to weak oppose this one because I like the more neutral lighting in Tomfriedel's alternative. Papa Lima Whiskey  (talk) 12:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've nominated Tomfriedel's image. Papa Lima Whiskey  (talk) 15:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose (both). Wild-type Rock Pigeons have orange eyes. Pearl eye is a domesticated mutation. That first picture shows pearl eye and is a Santa Barbara feral. The second pic shows a Chequer (English spelling which I use) pattern is also found in escaped domestic pigeon (feral) flocks and is likewise not the original wildtype bar pattern. The current picture in the infobox now is as close to wildtype C livia as we have been able to find so far. I must admit I'm not completely happy with that one either. It looks a bit like it is about to choke on a piece of corn or something? The pic of the pigeon at Fort Lauderdale beach is a little removed from its wild ancestors natural resident range and having wrong pattern, so I can't support it being featured in the Rock Pigeon article. The trouble is a lot of the pictures being used are actually of feral pigeons. Ferals carry mutations that should not occur in the wild flocks in their original habitat. Nowadays however you would be hard pressed to find pure strains of wildtype C livia unless you went out into the wilds of their original habitat. Mixing with escaped domestics has contributed to mutations (selected for by man in domestic stock) now becoming common in wild C livia. Anyhow, I'm raving on! The pics would be fine to be featured as "feral" C livia but don't belong in the infobox of the Rock Pigeon article. I can live with them further down in that article though. I should add that if the right picture of a blue bar feral pigeon is found (having all the right wildtype criteria with no mostly man propagated mutations), then it would pass as wildtype as they are essentially the same species. A picture of a pigeon walking on a concrete path or flying by buildings is not the right setting. Sitting up on rocks on a cliff face as would be expected in native habitat is the shot we are looking for.--Sting  Buzz Me...   02:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)