Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Crown Prince Frederick William of Prussia - Illustrated London News August 20, 1870.PNG

The Crown Prince Frederick William of Prussia

 * Reason:I don't think we have - or, for that matter, are likely to get - a better image of him. Photography of that time has a tendency to be rather degraded, so we're probably better off using very high-quality engravings made from it than the actual originals. Of course, there's also paintings, but looking at the one on commons, frankly, I think this engraving is higher quality. It's only possible downside is that medal at his throat, which does lack a bit of detail. Mind, I'm not sure I got the portait part of the scan quite straight - see what you think; it's pretty easy to rescan it. That was written before I rescanned it. - Adam Vanished user talk
 * Proposed caption:Crown Prince Frederick William of Prussia (1831-1888), later Frederick III, in the August 20, 1870 issue of the Illustrated London News, during his time as commander of one of the three divisions of the German Army in the Franco-Prussian War. He was noted for his fondness for liberal democracy and pacifism, but died less than a year after he became king, before he could institute any real reforms. His death and replacement by his more militaristic son, without the reforms that might have impeded his son's urges, is often considered one of the factors that led to World War I.
 * Articles this image appears in:Frederick III, German Emperor, Prussia
 * Creator:See notes on image information page.


 * Support as nominator Vanished user talk 01:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Um... give it a little time. I think there's a minor bug on commons regarding the re-upload at a new size. Vanished user talk 02:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed now. The crop is probably a little tight, but there's literally nothing I can do about that if I want it to display: It's that large. Vanished user talk 12:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * support--Mbz1 16:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)Mbz1
 * Conditional Strong Support - Yes, a very odd vote. I love the image.  But I am unsure from Vanished user's description why the header was cut, that can be viewed in the previous versions of the image.  Can you explain better?  What do you mean about it being too large for display otherwise?  I think I like the header there, although I am undecided.  Zakolantern 16:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a limit in Wikipedia's thumbnail software that means very large images can't be thumbnailed. This image is right on the borderline. I can just get the header to fit on and still thumbnail, but the crop is so harsh that it looks pretty awful when used as a thumbnail - the text blocks rub up against the frame, etc. Without the header, there can be reasonable amount of whitespace. Have a look at commons:C:VP (until they archive it) for the discussion. Vanished user talk 16:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Support There are no major flaws in the image itself from what I can see, and I suppose it fits the criteria satisfactorily. The fact that it's unattributed is somewhat off-putting; but then again, sometimes it can be harder to identify a Victorian engraving than a medieval script. And the text is the perfect complement. -- Chris.B 10:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Support With all this talk about image size, would it be possible to crop out the text and include the header? I personally don't like the text. Perhaps it could be typed up and included on the image page.--HereToHelp 01:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment It'd probably look ugly to include the header without the text: It's much wider than the picture itself. Could crop it down to just the picture, I guess, but I think the text adds value. Vanished user talk 16:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the picture alone, without the text or the header, might be best. With the text included, the image really illustrates "newspaper article about William".  With the text cropped out, the image is more versatile.  Spikebrennan 20:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Going to be a little bit of a bother to decide between the two, though. I prefer the one with the text for FPC, for the simple reason that it's interesting text and I'd like people to see it. But I'm open to the other one being FPC if that's the judgement of others. Vanished user talk 06:58, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

MER-C 09:51, 7 August 2007 (UTC)