Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Demetri McCamey signals a play

Demetri McCamey signals a play
Voting period ends on 1 Jun 2010 at 07:59:15 (UTC)
 * Reason:I think this is a rare action sports photo that captures a subject in a way that facilitates encyclopedic usage. I also think catching the classic point guard pose of him signaling a play makes this a great photo.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:09, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Articles in which this image appears:Point guard Assist (basketball) 2009–10 Illinois Fighting Illini men's basketball team Demetri McCamey St. Joseph High School (Westchester, Illinois) 2009–10 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season
 * FP category for this image:People or Entertainment
 * Creator:Joshua Beckman (flickr user PhotoVandal)


 * Support as nominator --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Can the tilt be fixed?  Spencer T♦ Nominate! 21:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply I don't see what you are talking about.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:02, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a counter-clockwise tilt - see the vertical bars in the background. One of them is near to the right edge of the frame and clearly leaning to the left. &#208;iliff    &#171;&#187;  (Talk)  22:07, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If a GIMP adjustment is suitable, I will try to install it tonight.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks to me that such a correction would cause McCamey to appear to be leaning over. Also, isn't that bar not just along a line of perspective considering it is a straight line at the edge of an image?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:16, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Still seems to be significantly tilted. The crowd are all leaning as are the railings in the stands. To see where it should be straight look at the horizontal railings near the top of the image - they are sloping down to the left but should be level. With one foot off the ground McCamey really should be leaning slightly to maintain his balance. Just did a quick try straightening it up and it indeed looks more natural. --jjron (talk) 15:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a head on photo of the foreground main subject, which is an angular photo of background subjects. Is it really possible to adjust all background elements to be straight although they are taken on an angle?  It seems wrong to me to make further adjustments.  I will give it a shot though.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Now although the upper railings are straightened to parallel, the fan section above seems to be diminishing in size going from right to left. Was this the proper adjustment?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I have now tilted to parallel and perpendicular a little better. I saved the revised over old version 2.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:07, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you done a tilt adjustment or a perspective correction? Looks like the latter - why not just fix the tilt? --jjron (talk) 13:58, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I used the GIMP perspective tool twice (once with the picture rotated 90 degrees). What else are you suggesting? A minor rotation and one perspective adjustment?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * How is that?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks better at a quick check. --jjron (talk) 13:18, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment what's so rare about it? Not to take away from the quality of the picture, but if you're just talking about a photo showing a point guard signalling, you could get dozens of such photos at any game at any level in any country, on any given day. Stevage 02:06, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, but check the articles for the great point guards (Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Oscar Robertson, Bob Cousy, Mark Price, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, etc.) and look for one. Unless we have a bunch of them on commons or in articles we should appreciate this one.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:21, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, but just because we don't have an image doesn't make it rare. Also, he's not really even "signalling". Stevage 04:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * He may not have an identifiable number of fingers in the air, but he is signaling. (Have you ever watched or played basketball). Sometimes a signal can be something like putting your hand in the air and making a small circle. In terms of rarity on WP, there are very few high caliber sports shots because sports photographers get paid a lot of money by newspapers, magazines, baseball card companies, book publishers, etc. for their good work.  There is big bucks in sports photography.  Thus, WP has historically had difficulty getting properly licensed high quality athletic photography.  In that sense it is rare.  Sure during any basketball games there are dozens of times that the point guard signals something on the court.  However, WP does not seem to have any images of point guards doing this very thing for which they are identified.  Now, we have one quality image of a point guard doing something that makes him look like a point guard.  We in fact have an image that we can now put in point guard that looks like a point guard doing a point guard thing instead of one of the best point guards chasing a loose ball like any other basketball player.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support Edit 2. Questionable enc. in Assist (basketball) (doesn't really show an assist), okay (but not amazing) enc. in all the other articles including of the player himself, because in each, the picture seems to be a part of a gallery showcasing the player (by himself or with others). Point guard is an exception, but enc. is reduced because a picture of any point guard could be used there, making the image replaceable. Nonetheless, it's a decent action shot showing what a point guard does, notwithstanding some small sharpness issues on the player himself.  Spencer T♦ Nominate! 02:11, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Edit 2 3. Acceptable quality, and extra EV because of the signaling. Nautica Shad es  08:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 09:47, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No quorum. Makeemlighter (talk) 09:47, 1 June 2010 (UTC)