Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Downtown Honolulu

Downtown Honoluu

 * Reason:A beautiful image showing several notable landmarks of downtown Honolulu, such as the First Hawaiian Center, Aloha Tower, Honolulu Harbor, and the museum ship Falls of Clyde.
 * Articles this image appears in:Honolulu, Hawaii and Aloha Tower
 * Creator:ErgoSum88


 * Support as nominator ErgoSum88 (talk) 06:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose, 'Neutral' I ask the original photographer to look at recent featured cityscape pictures. This photo would certainly have been promoted 3 years ago when standards were lower, so I will remain neutral on moral and precedence concerns. However, the sky is in poor focus and the background is not as sharp as it could have been. The lighting is also not very great. EgraS (talk) 08:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I did look at the other photos before I nominated this one, and there are very few urban photos which are not panoramas. As I said, I considered this more of an encyclopedic photo rather than just another pretty picture. And I quote from criteria #5: Adds value to an article and helps readers to understand an article. An image's encyclopedic value is given priority over its artistic value. In fact if you compare this photo to another featured photo that was nominated 3 years ago as you mention, Image:I-80 Eastshore Fwy.jpg, then this photo would be of some comparison. Perhaps we should delist the I-80 photo but that is a discussion for another forum. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 04:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Weakish oppose. It's ok, but I've seen much more visually striking and spectacular skyline images.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 10:52, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I fixed the slant. Sorry, it was so slight I didn't notice. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 11:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Not quite up to the clarity of some of our other cityscapes and the area in the foreground is cut off. Matt Deres (talk) 20:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Nice photo, but not really up to my resolution standards for cityscapes. Dr. Extreme (talk) 21:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I know I'm biased because I took this photo, but let me just take a minute here to remind voters that this is not a contest for the "prettiest pictures." I know this isn't a perfect photo, but it was taken from the perch of an open helicopter, so its kind of hard to keep steady. I framed the shot to capture three prominent landmarks in Honolulu, as the caption states. The forground is cut off because that wasn't part of the area of interest. Part of the FP criteria is adding "value" to the articles the photo is used in. If I thought this was just a pretty picture I would've nominated it over at the Commons. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 00:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral —αἰτίας •'discussion'• 22:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Ergo, sell me on the 'information value' of this content. I'm willing to grant information precedence over artistic value. However, what is the current level of expectations for city landscapes FP'd for information value (examples anyone)?  --Mike Spenard (talk) 06:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Examples, sure. See Featured pictures, or more specifically Featured pictures/Places. Probably most relevant to this image are the Urban and Panorama categories. --jjron (talk) 07:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I realize this photo is not of the highest quality, taken with a cheap camera from a windy helicopter. My argument is that the photo adds value to the article which it is featured in. There are plenty of mediocre photos which are promoted because: 1. "It is a photograph ... which is among the best examples of a given subject that the encyclopedia has to offer." 2. "It illustrates the subject in a compelling way, making the viewer want to know more." 3. "Adds value to an article and helps readers to understand an article." So in response to these criteria I submit: 1. This is the best photo of downtown Honolulu Wikipedia has to offer (I realize I'm biased, but hear me out). 2. It shows three landmarks and their relationship to each other, each with its own article. 3. It clearly shows the tallest building in the city and demonstrates just how much taller it is than the other buildings (which isn't much). And thats about all I can say about it. After reading the FP criteria it was my understanding that this wasn't a photography contest, merely a place to promote quality photos which add value to their respective articles. Obviously, a better photo could be obtained since Honolulu isn't going anywhere, so if anyone thinks this photo doesn't deserve FP status then by all means oppose it. This is my first nomination so I really didn't know what to expect, and I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but I'm not giving up without a fight. ;) --ErgoSum88 (talk) 07:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

. --John254 02:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)