Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Echidna

Echidna
OK looks like I was wrong about the enc of a cat stuck in a tree, but this image I definetly think fits the bill for enc. True it was shot in a zoo, but there is no clear indicators of this and so I don't think it's a major issue.


 * Support Self Nom. --Fir0002 09:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Sorry, Fir0002. It's close, but this one has insufficient depth of field for me. Stephen Turner (Talk) 10:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Enc is there :-), but this is way below your usual quality. Little contrast in the whole picture, unattractive flash lighting, and the sharpening created a noise of white pixels from the tiny flash highlights. I don't understand why you nominated it. --Dschwen 10:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Just food for thought. --DonES 10:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I've moved this to Fir's talk page, where it is more relevant. --DonES 16:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment unrelated to this particular picture, but I count seven self nominations by you on this page right now. This seems a little absurd to me and makes me again wonder about your motivation. --Dschwen 11:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that comment's out of order, Dschwen. Let's just judge each photo on its merits. Stephen Turner (Talk) 11:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Motivation? To maximize the number of FPs he's created - naturally. I don't see anything wrong in that, since it also makes Fir a prolific contributor, benefitting all of Wikipedia, not only FPC. --Janke | Talk 14:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree on a number of points here. First of all out of the seven nominations only one had a consensus of support. Secondly, what ever happened to contributing just to improve the project? And third of all whats the use of cluttering up this page and making it a one man show? --Dschwen 18:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you can add and nominate your own pictures, so if you don't want this to be a "one man Fir show", just go ahead and do it... I see nothing wrong in self-noms, if they're good, they will be FPs, if they're not good enough, they are at least new pics added to Wiki articles! --Janke | Talk 20:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * They are already new pics added to Wiki articles, whether I add them to FPC or not. And I don't really believe in self-nomination. Nominations should come from outside the picture crowd. Pictures should be nominated because they stand out and strike other people. --Dschwen 21:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think if we eliminated self-nominations we might have problems keeping up with at least one new FP per day. Debivort 21:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This is really just too bad Dschwen. I have probably been contributing to this page the longest out of anyone here, and now you are trying to run me out of it are you? If I do nominate many images, it is because they are of a high standard and easily conform to the FPC criteria. Every single image I've nominated here is either of something hard to capture, artistic or encyclopeadic; most of them a combination of the three. I personally feel this image is just as good as the pelican image, and I don't appreciate sarcastic comments insinuating ulterior motives. Until there is a rule banning self nomination or restricting the nominations of a single user (at which point I will leave WP:FPC) then I shall continue to nominate my images as I see fit. It's bad enough to see my efforts shot down, but to have someone like you attacking me as well as the image, it is almost too much. --Fir0002 22:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * lol, Fir had a burn out. Oh well, nothing wrong with self-nomination, but it's true, too many self nom is a bit selfish. But Fir is taking this too seriously. IMHO, Fir, you think of Wikipedia as some sort of Mafia or Kingdom? No one is trying to run you out or attack you, Dschwen only gave his opinion, and I think you should take this easy. --Arad 00:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're a strange person Arad, Mafia or Kingdom??! --Fir0002 00:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * lol, I knew you wouldn't get the point. My bad. I just wanted to say take it easy. Take wikipedia as a hobby not a job ;-) --Arad 04:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Dschwen, to me the fact that you used the expression below your usual quality with respect to Fir's image is to me indicative of the high quality of his submissions. WP:FPC hasn't been overloaded with submissions, verdicts are generally quite clear cut, and there is no rule preventing him from self-nominating - perhaps questioning his selectiveness rather than motives would be more appropriate. Either way, both "questioning motives" and calling people "strange" approach personal attacks, so let's cool it! LE✆N 04:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Tell these to Fir, he needs to cool down --66.36.143.72 21:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose DOF & flash problems (redeye & strange fur). Not one of your best. Remember, we have set a higher standard for you! ;-) --Janke | Talk 14:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose, I really don't like the echidna's eye, or the use of flash. The result is just bland. The cropping feels awkward as well. Overall, this looks like the type of shot you end up with when you have an uncooperative subject, not enough time, or something. Fir0002 is perfectly justified in nominating all the images he wants - it's mildly narcissistic, but that's why many of us are here, after all (me included :)) Don't let them get you down, dude, and remember - if we supported all your nominations, it would take all the fun out of it :) Stevage 01:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose flash ruins it for me. I say let the votes bear it out. It is impossible to know if something will pass or not before nominating. I have seen images I thought would be an easy pass that failed and vice versa. Keep up the good work Fir. Also, others: KEEP IT CIVIL I *will* remove comments that are not civil. -Ravedave (help name my baby) 04:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose and agree with Ravedave. I figured the moment that I saw this image that it was a below-par image in terms of aesthetics (low contrast, flash highlights etc) and probably wouldn't pass, but then again I've felt that a few of my images were of sufficient quality and they have been shot down, so it just goes to show that everyone has different standards. If we didn't, we wouldn't have to nominate in the first place! Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 14:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose - reasons stated above. --Puma5d04 05:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose. The flash ruins it for me. -- Tewy  04:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Raven4x4x 06:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)