Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Eisenhower Expressway

Eisenhower Expressway
Voting period ends on 18 Jul 2010 at 01:44:04 (UTC)
 * Reason:This contributes to several articles.
 * Articles in which this image appears:Interstate 290 (Illinois) Blue Line (Chicago Transit Authority) Roads and freeways in Chicago Chicago metropolitan area
 * FP category for this image:Featured pictures/Engineering and technology/Others
 * Creator:Daniel Schwen (User:Dschwen)


 * Support as nominator --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:44, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment The buildings in the background look a bit wavy. --I′d※&lt;3※Ɵɲɛ (talk) 02:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * First, I am not a photo guy and do not know the meaning of the term wavy. Second, the buildings are only there for context, IMO. The are not the subject, AFIAK.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:57, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * By 'wavy' I mean look at the buildings beyond that overpass, it looks like the refraction you see on a hot day. --I′d※&lt;3※Ɵɲɛ (talk) 03:22, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't notice the effect and it would probably be noticeable on the asphault in the foreground if it were really a problem of "heat waves".--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:42, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * In my experience you only get this phenomenom when taking pictures of distant objects - wouldn't appear in the foreground of pictures... Gazhiley (talk) 11:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - An unusal subject, but well-photographed. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:55, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose It just sorta looks like a snapshot of a freeway from a pedestrian bridge. Ho-hum. I can’t imagine I.P. readers stopping to click this thing on the Main Page. Greg L (talk) 04:22, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: We're gonna need those numberplates blurred, for a start. J Milburn (talk) 10:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I see that a bit. What is the actual protocol for that? Certainly in Australia there's absolutely no legal requirement to remove/blur number plates on vehicles. --jjron (talk) 10:22, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Here in the UK, knowing a number plate tied to a certain car in another part of the country can be very useful for criminals. Again, I don't know about legal requirements, but I really think they should be removed... J Milburn (talk) 11:18, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Could be the case, sure, but do they like blur out number plates in newspapers and on TV? Doesn't really worry me either way, but just wondering if it's necessary. --jjron (talk) 13:33, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Obscured foreground license plates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:50, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose Giving a reason of "This contributes to several articles." is a terrible reason to give for nominating an image - I could place a really poor image in 20 articles - doesn't mean it's worth of a nom! Please firstly provide a particular reason why you think this is worthy of being nominated... Secondly as Greg L said it looks like a snapshot from a pedestrian bridge, not FP quality at all... Thirdly as per IdLoveOne it's hazy like there's heat affecting the shot... Fourthly if this is a picture of an expressway it should be of the expressway, not a picture of Chicago with a random road in the bottom of the picture - it should be the main focus... Finally, to quote Greg L "I can’t imagine I.P. readers stopping to click this thing on the Main Page." it's just plain and uninteresting sorry... Gazhiley (talk) 11:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Just noticing this nomination now. A perfectly sharp 13MP image is not FP quality at all. What? I guess people are just being fed up with Tony nominating so many Chicago images. Just say it. Please stay honest. Your so called snapshot is actually a composite panoramic image, which proved difficult due to the many moving cars. Also the pedestrian bridges in the vicinity all have several feet of meshed wire fencing. I had to contort myself, climb up, stick my arm and camera through a hole, and avoid getting part of a tree on the right in the frame. I personally am pretty pleased how the composition with the diagonally running road, multiple level road and "L" crossing, and the notable skyline turned out. --Dschwen 16:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree - FP isn't just for the usual. Sometimes, we need to appreciate a really good photo of an unusual choice of subject. Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:01, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sharpness and megapixels are just minimums and aren’t a defining criteria for what constitutes an interesting, attractive photo that has EV and deserves Featured Picture status. I’ve got a 6.5-megapixel image of a manhole cover. I can go take a four-frame, 48-megapixel, monster version of that cover; that wouldn’t make it FP material. Greg L (talk) 17:57, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * And yet we have zillions of pictures of all kinds of fruits, chunks of metal on white backgrounds. A manhole cover would fit in perfectly. Please note that Gazhiley was talking about quality. --Dschwen 18:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If you are going to quote me please note that I also talked about the picture's lack of EV for the chosen nom due to the road being a small part at the bottom of the picture, and certainly not the focus of it - also the haze from the heat making things looked blurred, the "snapshot-esque" style of picture (although I agree this isn't actually a snapshot)... Not just just the quality... And may I echo Greg L in that the amount of megapixels and sharpness doesn't neccessarily mean the picture is of fantastic quality... It just means the blur is even clearer if that makes sense! Oh and my Oppose and comments have nothing to do with the nom and his attitude towards FPC - I rarely look at the nom first what with the pictures being what this page is about... Strangely enough they are the first things that catch my eye and where I get my judgement from... Gazhiley (talk) 22:13, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, you have your mind set, that's fine. No need to make up arguments about the blur. You can think what you want about the subject matter, just don't unfairly slam the technical quality, that's all I'm asking for. --Dschwen 01:04, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Make up arguments?!! The buildings behind (which are kinda the main draw of the picture as opposed to the random road below) are blurred... The heat refractions are obvious and create a very hazy effect on the buildings at full zoom... Not making anything up... Gazhiley (talk) 14:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I don't get it, we are arguing about something completely obvious to me. Are you looking at a different image? You can see fine antenna details on the Willis Tower, you can count loops on the mesh wire fencing, you can count rivets on the L tracks. And yet you are fixated on atmospherical speckling in a small part of the image (far away and close to the ground). It is not even blur! And even those parts of the image do not contain significantly less information that a much lower resolution would be justified. What is your problem here?! --Dschwen 16:06, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What I'm talking about (as I mentioned above in the mini-thread above this one) is the top half of the picture... The buildings behind at full zoom look like the edges were cut with a crinkle-cut chip cutter... They maybe far away but when I look at this picture my eye is drawn to them (as the road in the bottom 3rd is pretty dull and un-interesting), so to me they are the main focus of the picture... I haven't at one point said the foreground is blurred... Gazhiley (talk) 22:03, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, dude, whatever you say, it is just a blurry snapsot of some boring road. Moving on. --Dschwen 00:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I strongly agree- anything that benefits from illustration, no matter how unwelcome the topic would be in a traditional encyclopedia, is worthy of featured pictures. J Milburn (talk) 21:06, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support either It is a good-quality image and illustrates its subject well- both the expressway and the rail line. -- mcshadypl T C  03:43, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support This checks the boxes for me. Cowtowner (talk) 17:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 01:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC)