Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Emblem of Surakarta Sultanate

Emblem of Surakarta Sunanate
Voting period ends on 8 Dec 2011 at 14:10:28 (UTC)
 * Reason:Highly complex emblem with good trace. High EV.
 * Articles in which this image appears:Surakarta Sunanate, Susuhunan
 * FP category for this image:Featured pictures/History/Others
 * Creator:Gunkarta


 * Support as nominator --Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:10, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Meh. TCO (talk) 04:20, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per TCO. Looks rather bright and internet-y for an emblem from many decades (centuries?) ago. We have thousands of images like this; I'm not convinced they're great FP candidates. J Milburn (talk) 16:14, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The Sunanate still exists, despite being essentially powerless. If I have a chance to go to the palace, I'll take a picture of the crest. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:16, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Brightness isn't as much of an issue as you might expect. Remember we are used to seeing such things after they have been faded by time. Historically though many things were tastelessly colorful.©Geni 07:58, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The image was redrawed from the painting of the emblem placed in Pagelaran Keraton Surakarta (so I consider it as official version), traditionally the color of Surakarta is blue, and yes it is that bright. References are also from "Karaton Surakarta" book. The city of Surakarta gates have this emblem placed upon them, but most of the colors are faded away and made from older period, mostly from Pakubuwono X reign (1893-1939).Gunkarta (talk) 16:58, 3 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose If you compare to this recent nom, I would argue with the "highly complex" claim. Aaadddaaammm (talk) 11:41, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * We'll have to agree to disagree on this, as I am comparing to the bare minimum. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:15, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not featured, so it doesn't really refute my logic. As an aside, the line in the left-most part of the ribbon should be grey, not red, shouldn't it? I can't find another version of this image to check, but it would be consistent with the rest of the ribbon in this image. Aaadddaaammm (talk) 10:42, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Naturally it's not. I'm saying "as compared to (random image which is clearly not complex)". Regarding the ribbon, I have contacted the creator. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:14, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If you check the summary description, you will see the explanation of the ribbon. The initial ribbon was white, but in 1945 the red and white ribbon was introduced by Susuhunan Pakubuwono XII to symbolize Sunanate support for Indonesian Republic. Here's the description:

 "Radyalaksana, the emblem of Kasunanan Surakarta Hadiningrat (Kingdom of Surakarta). The emblem was designed by King Pakubuwono X (reign 1893-1939) through his edict: "Kuncara ruming bangsa dumunung aneng luhuring budaya" which means: The fame and glory of a nation is placed upon the refinement of its culture". The emblem featuring Javanese crown as the crest and an elliptic shield with the image of the star, the shining sun, the moon, and the earth. The earth is drawn with nail upon it to symbolize Paku Buwono (The Nail of the Earth), which means the Javanese king as the center of Javanese universe. The shield is surrounded by flower and rice plants to symbolize cultural refinement, wealth of the kingdom and the wellfare of its people. The red and white ribbon tied the plants together, red and white color adopted after the Independence of Indonesia in 1945, originally the ribbon's color is white."
 * The decision to change the ribbon has something to do with politics, by supporting new Republic of Indonesia, the Sunan (King) of Surakarta expect that their traditional realm would be granted special region status, autonomous region within Indonesian republic similar to today Special Region of Yogyakarta, but it was revoked in 1946 and Surakarta and Mangkunegara were merged with Central Java province. "After the declaration of independence of Republic of Indonesian in 17 August 1945, followed by Indonesian National Revolution, Surakarta Sunanate with Mangkunegaran Princedom send the letter of confidence to Sukarno to demonstrate their support for Indonesian Republic. As the reward the Republic awarded the status of Daerah Istimewa (Special Region, similar to today Yogyakarta Sultanate) within the Republic of Indonesia. However because the political agitation and opposition from Indonesian communists that led to anti-monarchy movement and rebellion in early 1946, later in 16 June 1946 Indonesian Republic aborted the special region status; both Surakarta's and Mangkunegara's status were reduced as merely a residence, later merged into Central Java province. In contrast, the Yogyakarta Sultanate successfully maintained their special status up until today. Highly possible because of historical Yogyakarta's support and their political deal with founding fathers of Indonesian Republic during the war of independence and Indonesian national revolution. Today the Surakarta Sunanate holds no actual political power and authority on governing their realms. Its power were limited in royal prestiges and its special position as the patron, preserver and the protector of Javanese culture. Nevertheless the royal prestiges were still remains that led many regional leaders and political figures in Indonesia to sought affiliations with." Gunkarta (talk) 16:39, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 23:45, 8 December 2011 (UTC)