Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Giraffe feeding, Tanzania.jpg

Giraffe Feeding

 * Reason:Good EV, shows how the giraffe eats. Good quality and has been in the article for over 5 months. Also, I think it is particularly illustrative of the tongue and lips that are tough enough to withstand the thorns of plants it feeds on.
 * Articles in which this image appears:Giraffe
 * Creator:Muhammad Mahdi Karim


 * Support as nominator --Muhammad (talk) 01:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you know which subspecies it is? Are we looking at a wild one? Noodle snacks (talk) 10:54, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know but my best guess is it's a juvenile Kilimanjaro Giraffe (Giraffa camelopardalis tippelskirchi). --Muhammad (talk) 12:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I would like to know if it is a wild one also. I have become a bit confused over what information on this image is factual and what is a guess. Snowman (talk) 14:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Fact, it's a giraffe. Fact, it's a juvenile. Fact, it's pictured in Tanzania. Fact, it's feeding. Guess, the sub-species. --Muhammad (talk) 16:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Where are its parents? Snowman (talk) 16:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The photograph appears to be taken from the same level as the Giraffe's head. I would like to know more about how the photograph was taken to understand it better, and perhaps more details about the photography could be added to the image description. Snowman (talk) 11:01, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know how it seems to you that way. Both of us were on the ground. Maybe I'm just too tall :) What else would you like to know? --Muhammad (talk) 13:07, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not see anything in the image description to say that it is a juvenile. Is it a guess that it is a juvenile (see above)? Was the juvenile about the same hight as yourself? Were you some distance from the Giraffe? Is it male of female? To be a FP and to be more useful I think this photograph should have more information in the image description. Snowman (talk) 14:15, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The subject that this image is illustrating, feeding, does not require details about its gender or height. --Muhammad (talk) 16:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think its height would be correlated to its age and an estimate of its height would be useful. Snowman (talk) 19:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I can only estimate the height. It was probably around 8-9 feet tall. I was about 20m away from the giraffe --Muhammad (talk) 01:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That it fine. Which zoo? Snowman (talk) 11:49, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I quite like this one. The fact that the branch is denuded of leaves below the tongue shows how efficient the tongue is. Agree with nominator that gender is unimportant, and agree that it is likely a Maasai Giraffe. Might it benefit from a tighter crop though? Sabine's Sunbird  talk  18:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Reading Maedin's comment I re-examined the photo and saw what he meant about the leaves, I suspect he she is probably right about cropping. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  01:04, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a she, :)  Mae din \talk 07:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Did I not say "gender is unimportant?" ;P ! Sabine's Sunbird  talk  02:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Later commons divulge that the animal is in a zoo. Does this change your opinion of the subspecies of Giraffe? Snowman (talk) 11:55, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Tanzania is known for having this sub-species of giraffe and the pattern also matches the mentioned sub-species. See below for zoo reply. I don't understand why you are getting so worked up over unnecessary details. --Muhammad (talk) 12:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * First of all, I am not getting worked up about unnecessary details, so I would be grateful if you would withdraw your comment. I am helping to get this good image through FP by helping to build up a meaningful image description. I see your image as a potential scientific illustration for biology pages on various language wikipedias, where a detailed image description would be vital to understand the image. Snowman (talk) 12:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * My apologies for the harsh wording. Anything else? --Muhammad (talk) 13:15, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really. The pattern matches that subspecies. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  02:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Agree with Sabine's Sunbird and Snowman. A slight crop (on the left) would help, and more precise information about the location of the photo (nature reserve, safari park, zoo, wild) and size/age of subject on the image description would be also useful. Elekhh (talk) 19:46, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Information added to description page. Juvenile 8-9 feet tall, pictured in a zoo in Tanzania --Muhammad (talk) 01:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Errmm, please don't crop it on the left! If you do, you lose the branches which aren't so bare, and that reduces the EV.  Because this is a "feeding" pic, the less bare branches are quite important for context.  I don't see anything wrong with the current crop at all, it's nicely framed.   Mae din \talk 20:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not think it needs cropping. Snowman (talk) 23:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Crop Uploaded I prefer the original though per Maedin. --Muhammad (talk) 01:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I think it was worth it, and the crop is better. One last q: is it feeding or being fed? Elekhh (talk) 01:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's definitely feeding. The plant was growing in the giraffe's enclosure. --Muhammad (talk) 02:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Either Only other bit of information is the plant species (or genus). The leaves remind me of Acacia but I'm not familiar with the African species. Noodle snacks (talk) 02:02, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like Acacia to me too. I will ask an expert --Muhammad (talk) 02:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Got confirmation that it is acacia. Specie won't be possible to id though --Muhammad (talk) 01:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Edit1. Weak Support original. Elekhh (talk) 03:04, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support original: as my earlier comment. Haven't decided on edit1 yet.   Mae din \talk 07:26, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support: with preference for original, due to superior EV.  Mae din \talk 16:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment I see that the image description has been substantially improved, which helps my understanding of this image. However, I think that the name of the zoo should be included too. If we knew what zoo it was in, it might be possible to find out what sort of Giraffes are kept in the zoo. I think that the image description is important. Snowman (talk) 11:46, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the problem and the reason why I didn't mention the zoo part from before. Tanzania hardly has any zoos, since the animals roam a very large portion of it wildly. Every year, for a few days, the ministry (I think of natural resources) sets up this display of live animals, most in their natural environments. There is no name to that display. After the few days of display, it's closed down and I presume the animals taken back to their respective national parks. --Muhammad (talk) 12:02, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support, with preference to original. Mostlyharmless (talk) 09:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support either, but prefer edit 1. It retains enough leaves to get the point across. Making the tongue bigger is more important. (And it removes most of the distracting yellow flower bud(?) at top right.) -- Avenue (talk) 15:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 23:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)