Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:US Great Seal Reverse.svg

Reverse of the U.S. Great Seal

 * Reason:The freemasons contacted me about this one... just kidding. High EV as it is an important symbol for the United States. High quality SVG file. Commons Picture of the Day for November 8th, 2009.
 * Articles this image appears in:25, including Great Seal of the United States, Novus ordo seclorum, New World Order (conspiracy theory), and Annuit cœptis
 * Creator:Ipankonin


 * Support as nominator -- Nezzadar   [SPEAK]  07:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Surely, this is PD, not GFDL. J Milburn (talk) 14:53, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What is PD and GFDL?  franklin.vp   15:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * They are licenses. PD is public domain and all US government works are released pd. --Muhammad (talk) 15:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should be PD-USGov. Unfortunately I can't edit it because it's protected. Once it's open again, someone should go in and fix that.  upstate NYer  17:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment For reference, and perhaps its own nomination the obverse of the Great Seal. Cowtowner (talk) 16:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)




 * The reverse has, what I see as, a subtle detail that can be improved. In the page About the Great Seal, they mention the rule of tincture and how the colors of the shield in the obverse were chosen to agree with it. In the obverse and most of the reverse you find the elements of the design distinguished by their contours. This is not the case of the pyramid and the eye... Oh, now I was trying to edit this, but It seems to be that much of the image is an ordinary image embedded in the SVG. This is very different in the obverse in which there are more than 1000 objects in the image.  People with experience in vector graphics would be needed to check if this is true and if it is a problem at all.   franklin.vp   22:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Question: Are the mountains in the background and the plants in front of the pyramid really part of the official description of the seal, or are these fanciful additions? Also, I thought that we had a general disinclination to promote flags, emblems and heraldry.  Spikebrennan (talk) 15:28, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * According to this|this the great seal design is more like a description than an image. In the reference there is no mention of the mountains but in most pictures there is. (A Pyramid unfinished. In the Zenith an Eye in a triangle surrounded with a glory proper. Over the Eye these words "Annuit Coeptis". On the base of the pyramid the numerical letters MDCCLXXVI & underneath the following motto. "novus ordo seclorum") I tried to do the editing I required to fix the problem mentioned in my previous comment but couldn't manage to make contour lines for the pyramid to pass in front of the grey mountains in the left. I don't have (enough) experience with SVG.  franklin.vp   15:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose Pretty sure this is not EXACT artwork of the official seals, therefore it's not EV but quite far from EV. These are the offical seals of a government, and must be exact, close won't cut it here in my book. — raeky ( talk 07:05, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * In what way it is not exact? It satisfies the official heraldic description and the extra features are present in all the modern depictions. This is a document of the government.  franklin.vp   11:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Theres a pretty significant differences between File:USSeal.png that file and the SVG nominted here. Sure it may meet the critera of the text description of it, but it's not something I'd consider official. — raeky ( talk 16:23, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, it is not the obverse the one that is being nominated. In any case, I am also inclined for an oppose but definitely not for not being official. With all due respect, remember that it is not what you consider official but what we find in references as official. The page of the government (above) probably is the place to check that.  franklin.vp   16:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

We seem to have lost all our closers, so I am shutting this one down. If anyone thinks this is controversial, I suppose I could withdraw it, but I don't see that as being necessary.

-- Nezzadar   [SPEAK]  15:45, 19 November 2009 (UTC)